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Dating Philippe Venet

Discussion in 'PUBLIC Vintage Fashion - Ask Questions Get Answers' started by Katarzyna, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Registered Guest

    Hi guys!

    This is crazy because I bought it minutes ago, and it's not even with me yet. But I couldn't wait.
    Can you help me date this dress? Is it couture?

    I know how it looks like, and I love it! ;)

    thank you

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  2. Vintagiality

    Vintagiality Trade Member

    I see early 90s and not couture but let’s see what others think
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  3. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Registered Guest

    I guess it can't be couture if it's a dead stock from a closed belgian boutique
  4. claireshaeffer

    claireshaeffer Trade Member

    I agree with Victoria "not couture." How do I know? It has a tag with a size. This applies to all designer garments.
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  5. Midge

    Midge Trade Member

    I was just going to say the same as Claire :). But these hand-written labels are not unusual for higher end French brands from the 80s or early 90s.
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  6. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Registered Guest

    indeed, I've seen it a lot in chanel garments. i guess the lack of the word "boutique" confuse me here
  7. Rue_de_la_Paix

    Rue_de_la_Paix Trade Member

    Yes, agree it is not couture. Katarzyna, why do you think it should have the word "boutique"?
  8. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Registered Guest

    might, not should. some french brands brand this way pret a porter, and i've seen same venet label but with "boutique" on it. that's all.
  9. claireshaeffer

    claireshaeffer Trade Member

    Katarzyyna, I only have a couple of Venet couture pieces so I don't know a lot about his fashion house.

    However, I can provide some general information. For many decades, couture houses were not allowed to make rtw (ready-to-wear). All this changed in the 60s when YSL introduced the Mondrian dress and all the rtw manufacturers copied it and called it pret-a-porter.

    Prior to that the Couture Houses had an onsite boutique where they sold designs which were sometimes made in the couture workrooms. In some boutiques, they would include a single fitting.

    Once pap was established, the Houses used Boutique to differentiate them from couture. At Chanel, Largerfeld began Chanel Boutique and discontinued Chanel Creations. Later, Boutique was dropped from the Chanel label.

    This is a nutshell version and can be added with additional info.
  10. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Registered Guest

    thank you Claire, good info! I had a lot of "boutique"labeled pieces, including Guy Laroche, Dior, Nina Ricci, Jean Patou, Valentino. that checks, all couture houses/ designers. I think Givenchy, however used "couture" on some of their rtw pieces
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