Shoe help anyone? - mens brogues and a pair of wooden shoe stretchers

Hoping someone can give me an idea of age on these - a pair of wooden shoe stretchers, each in 3 pieces and marked size 8 and L. I thought they were for mens shoes ????, but the toes seem rather pointed, so I am not sure.<br>
<img src=http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ar/artizania/ShoeLast.jpg>
<img src=http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ar/artizania/ShoeLast2.jpg>
<img src=http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ar/artizania/ShoeLast3.jpg><p><p>

Also, can you help with an idea of date on these mens shoes - brown brogues in a traditional style, which is why I've no clue how old they are!<br>
<img src=http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ar/artizania/Brogues.jpg>
<img src=http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ar/artizania/BrogueSide.jpg>
<img src=http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ar/artizania/BrogueToe.jpg>
<img src=http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ar/artizania/BrogueLabel.jpg><p>

Many Thanks!

 

Dunno about the stretchers...well, I guess I don't know about the wingtips either 'cuz they're so classic.

OK...no help...backing out.

;)
Brenda

 

I answered you on the closed chat board Margaret... The shoes look 80s to me, and the trees are for men's ankle boots from c. 1920.