Hi Inked....it comes down to this: sometimes a hat is just a hat. There were sooo many local boutiques in every town in the era of the hat. This would be pre-malls, pre-megastore, and often pre-labeling. Boutique owners would buy from smaller manufacturers and have their own labels sewn in to hats and garments.
There used to be a lot of smaller manufacturers, too.
Your two examples do look to be labelled by the manufacturer, which becomes more common in the latter hat era of the mid to late 50s and especially into the 60s. I find a lot of 40s to early 50s hats with absolutely no markings or tagging, and sometimes with a department store label.
If I had these two hats, I would either sit them in my Babylon/online store individually, or sell the red one individually and wait until I had others to lot the black one with. Red hats sell for the red hat society gals. Other average hats will sometimes sell, but I do well pairing them up with others of similar era.
Jenn