2 Vintage 20's ??? Pieces

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2 Vintage 20\'s ??? Pieces

Here are two very special pieces that I believe are from the 20's but would like your opinions! Also on the silk velvet purple jacket how do you think the tie should go? Around the neck? Or at the back? The black sheer beaded blouse is rayon like not silk. Thank you in advance as always.

Sarah


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Hello everyone,
 
Hmmm, the purple jacket could be from the turn of the century. I have a red velvet jacket from that time period that a bit similar (although yours is much nicer than mine!) I personally like the ties going around the neck.

The top is fabulous! *jaw dropping* I agree with ListItCafe, probably 20's or 30's.

I found some great information about Rachel Baker in the Los Angeles Times archives (starting in 1918)! Her first shop was on the corner of Hope and 7th Street in downtown LA, but moved to Wilshire Ave sometime in the 30's. Wilshire was THE place to shop in the 30's to the early 60's because Bullocks opened their infamous department store there! I've uploaded them for you. I hope they help!



 
I vote early '30s for the first one - velvets, particularly in this colour were popular during the '30s and it couldn't be from the turn of the century because the the image on the label is of a "Little Bo Peep" type lady, with a skirt that is too short for Edwardian. The style reminds me of the fanciful fashions of the late' 20s when panniers made a resurgence, and also popular art of these times (illustrations).

Sleeves were a big feature of the '30s but the relaxed cut with the low buttons and neck ties (yes, I agree they go to the front) suggest the '20s so that's why I think it's early '30s rather than mid or late '30s. It's quite beautiful: does it look like it's been shortened? These jackets are usually longer, but it might have originally had a matching skirt.

The beaded one looks like it might be from the same time, but the beaded panels might have been attached from a '20s beaded dress. I've found a few '20s beaded dresses that were "revamped" into '30s and even '40s dresses, tops and jackets. Is the beadwork backed onto the same fabric or a different one? That might help identify.

Nicole
 
Thank you so much for the Rachel Baker info! I searched google, but didn't have any luck. That's great!
Nicole, the beaded panels are sewn right onto the blouse they are not backed at all. However the beading at the cuffs are the exact same beads from the panels. I guess they could have added the panels from the dress and then taken extra beads from the dress adding them to the cuffs? So would this put the date more towards the 30's or 40s's?
As far as the purple jacket goes, I feel like it is late 20's/early 30's as well especially with the side buttons. It does not appear to have been altered at all. Thank you!
 
Thank you! I have another earlier piece I'll post in a minute that I have questions on....this collection is a great learning experience for me!
 
just a quick comment, I do agree with the dating , will add that I think that's a plus more than a minus from a selling point for you really as I know a lot of ladies who have a hang up with the 20's and do not buy it to wear.
I love all periods but some people only like 30's onwards, the customer always right lol
 
WOW! I love them both? Are they for sale....I'm in love!

I agree that the purple is very early 1930's, I'd say 1930-1933. The tie looks best in front, or maybe on the side, with the ties over 1 shoulder? Just a thought. Yes, the label is a 1920's image, but she probably used up her left over stock of labels, even tho it was already 1930? And it may have been her "identity" label so she kept using it on after 1930.

The beaded blouse is a bit harder to date as has been stated. Without seeing it in hand, I'd say early 1920's but it could be late 'Teens.

They are stunning! And how wonderful to get some real info on the designer! Thanks THEDA BARA.

Barbara
 
I'm seeing it worn, with the tie effect, as Barbara suggests.
These are lovely pieces!

Thedabara, I love that you have access to the Times archives. So interesting to me, as one who lived and worked on Seventh St. and shopped on Wilshire, when I could.
It seems she moved her store, to follow the Bullock's customers, to be near their finest location, from the downtown store. I liked both of the Bullock's stores, but of course, Rachel Baker had been long gone, by the time I was around there. Trying to figure out how many doors she was from the BW store now...
Okay Bullock's Wilshire building is 3050, so she was closer to I.Magnin.
 
I agree with Nicole that the velvet piece is typical of the beginning the 1930's especially the sleeves. The bow would have been tied loosely or in a bow - another popular fashion - CF never at the back. I'm not sure about the black beaded blouse. Those two front matching panels and the back panel do look as if they have come from a much earlier garment. The shapes are very particular. They have quite a weighted feel in contrast to the chiffon? fabric. Is the beading on a net backing? Seeing some construction stitches would help although I know photographing black on black can be tricky.

Magazines of the time promoted dressmaking and bringing a ladies wardrobe up-to-date with the latest Paris trends. Here's a link to some 1930's features reflected in these two nice pieces;

http://tinyurl.com/27ltbbr
 
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