A little help on these 40's coats, Please!

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A little help on these 40\'s coats, Please!

Hey everyone, it has been a long time!!! I am trying to get back into the swing of things and need a little help. I believe both of these coats are from the later 40's but how would you describe the collar on the black one.


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And on this plum colored ones, I believe these are Bishop Sleeves correct? So they are not meant to be worn cuffed up correct? I need to take some better photos, they are pleated at the bottom make the sleeves full.


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So any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Susan
 
Hey Susan! It is great to "see' you!

The collar on the black I would call mandarin or nehru.
I would also call the sleeves on the plum one, bishop.

Sue
 
The black coat has what is usually termed as a raised neckline as part of a mock sailor collar. It isn't strictly a collar.

I think the cuffs on the purple coat could be turned back but all the way to where it meets the seam of the sleeve and not half-way as you have them.

Not sure about the dating of the two because it would be good to see a full shot of the black coat and the front of the purple one.
 
is there an actual separate collar on the black one? it looks just like a rope,braided detail on the coat? I know that the "pilgrim" collars where very popular in the 40's, could it be imulating that in design/detail? Also, Someone educate me on Bishop sleeves! I've never heard the term! Teach me!please! Coats are lovely by the way!
 
Here is a great website I use for "terms" as far as the design of a dress...ie collars, sleeves, necklines, and general cut of a dress... Not the best but far better than most resources on the net... I use it everyday! :-)

http://www.vintagecityclothing.com/styleterms.html

p.s. web site in no way affiliated with me.... not advertising,,. just came across it and good information is always worth sharing! :-)

and based on thier terms.. I woulod say it is a cross between an mandarin and funnel collar. with sailor inspired trim? Im siure there is a way to jazz that up... reason I say mandarin funnel mix.. is beacuse I notice that there is no seam around the collar to make it stand stright up.... but it buttons on the front like most mandaines but unlike funnel,.. but funnels have no seam.... like this one.... lol

but please don't take my advice to the bank I am very new to all this... like one month... wheew I made it that far without pulling my hair out... been doing lot of 8 hour crash course resaerch lol!
 
It'd be good to see full front & back shots of each.... From what you've shown us, the plum looks late 40s, and I've always turned up the cuffs on this style of sleeve on a coat (on blouses, they're usually meant to be full length, but it seems that with coats, you can "do" them either way and be correct), but all the way back to the seam.

The black is hard to tell without the whole thing, but that big collar look could date it to the 50s. Even though it's a trim detail and not a real collar, the look emulates the big cape-type collars. As to the actual term for the collar, if it doesn't have a seam like a mandarin collar, it does look like a modified funnel collar (I don't think it's a full funnel collar, though, althoug I am very rusty on collar types!). I'd probably generically call it a "stand-up collar."
 
Here a few pictures. I am going to take some better one's as soon as I find out where my sister put the coats!


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On the black coat I guess I was not really asking about the collar, but the braiding style. Maybe Pilgrim style is what I was thinking.

The both has large padded shoulders and that is what made me think late 40's.

Thanks!@


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The two coats are mid 40's, 1946. The purple coat is short and could be three-quarter length.

I would describe the braid as either military or Edwardian style.
 
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