A Million Questions...Pre Vic, Edwardian Label and Western Jkt

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Snapping pics like crazy, slow at the shop today! I have a few questions hoping you all can help me on.

A) This piece has a heavy cotton bodice within with hooks and eyes, dark tea stained (muslin maybe). Heavy cotton gown. NO idea when its from or what to call it to research it. Help?

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B) This appears Edwardian, I'm guessing the effect of the longer piped edge placket pieces down past where the banded bottom hooks at natural waist is to give that "pouter pigeon" look a la Gibson Girl. Agreed? And anyone know what this label says or anything about it?

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C) This is deerskin suede, has small hard shoulder pads. I'm thinking late 40s maybe? I can't tell if the label says "DANZ" or "DAWS". Digging on Google now. Any thoughts?

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Any help would be awesome, thanks guys!

Ang
 
It's ust a guess but could the first one be some kind of religious garment? I'm kind of seeing choir boys or nuns or something, with something else on top. Or nightwear. it's so loose it doesn't seem like normal wear, even pre Victorian
 
The first pieces is a ca 1895 - 1900ish Ladies Wrapper. The sleeves and epaulets are what date it. It's a morning or house dress. The loose fit was meant for at home wear before getting all trussed up for the day. They were also worn as maternity wear. The choice of cotton also made it practical and washable. There should be a fitted but not boned interior bodice and the back should be somewhat fitted. There is often a waist tie on the inside that would pull the back of the garment to the body and tie under the loose front.

I have seen these from the 1870s to 1907 or so. Sometimes in woolens and paisley for winter and occasionally very dressy and trimmed in velvet and silks.

The second - part of a walking suit, most likely had a matching skirt. Roughly 1901 - 1908, maybe 1910?

Hollis
 
I've never seen anything like the first piece either. I read something somewhere about ladies' "homewear" in the 1800s not so long ago, but I don't think anything described there was like this one.

Second one - surely looks like the S-line. That went out of fashion around 1910 I think. It looks very "practical" and sober - so I'd vote for walking suit too. Or something worn for traveling. These kinds of things started to come up then. Also, if this were worn with the correct corset, to fill it out in the right places (I really think that S line is one of the weirdest things fashion ever produced!), these loose pieces would probably fasten not much below the waist of this top.

Karin
 
I did not check all of the 3,000ish hits on "Danz" and "Tucson" but like GoldenAge, I did note that there were many Danz families in Tucson, so I think that interpretation of that label is correct.

While I did not find an ad specifically for Danz Western Wear, I found a 1951 ad for this very similar jacket...
 
Actually number 2 is is OBC not ABC, the first letter could be mistaken for a large lowercase 'a', because of the trailing stroke of the B next to it, but the B is definitely uppercase, so must be an upper case O. They wouldn't have used lowercase letters like that in those days for an abbreviation. (typography is something I can speak on with some authority, unlike vintage clothing!)

I think Cy could well mean Company.
 
Originally posted by GoldenAgeThey wouldn't have used lowercase letters like that in those days for an abbreviation.
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While "O" is a possibility I considered, I think it is an "A," because it is not a lowercase "A" but a script uppercase "A" just as all the other letters are script.

I also searched for "O.B.C. Company" and found nothing, but "A.B.C. Company" brought many hits (I just haven't had time to search them all.
 
They are script, and I hope you don't mind me saying, I have to differ with you - I'm certain it's an O. If you look closely at the upward diagonal line between it and the B, it isn't fully attached to the first letter - it belongs to the B. An uppercase A, in hand written script, doesn't look like that, it would have a stroke across the middle and a pointed top. I do think researching the ABC Company will be a wild goose chase, though I will gladly eat my words if you prove me wrong!

Great Ad pic by the way, so very similar! Does that mean it's a woman's jacket?
 
Thanks everyone, what a great help!!! Appreciate all the input. I knew I'd seen that long gown before so its good to know I wasn't crazy remembering it, I imagine they're fairly common?

I'll have to check out the Danz family site! I googled Danz Western Wear and got nothing, must have used the wrong words! And yes, its a woman's jacket, small size, shoulder pads.

Thanks thanks thanks!

Ang
 
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