"A more civilized way to shop" Indeed~

\"A more civilized way to shop\" Indeed~

While taking a break from insisting my sons wear actual shoes to school this morning, I was catching up on blogs I love.

If you get a chance, check out The Vintage Traveler and scroll down to Friday, Nov. 28.

There is an elegant illustration of genteel folks holiday shopping. Lizzie asks a profound question - " But perhaps the real problem is not how to afford expensive gifts, but rather, do we really need all this stuff?"

Nothing like the melee at the New York Walmart that killed a man~

How did we get here?
 
"But perhaps the real problem is not how to afford expensive gifts, but rather, do we really need all this stuff?"

Indeed.... I've not checked out Lizzie's blog, but I will be sure to. But, oh, dear, this is going to get me off on my annual holiday rant.... Please, please don't read further if you enjoy the commercialism.

On the subject at hand, my husband & I, desparately still trying to keep Christmas commercialism at bay as much as possible, continue to ask just this very question. We are appalled at the obscene, and yes, I believe it is, spectacle of ultra-expensive gift giving, people waiting in line for hours to get their kids all the "must-have" gifts of the moment or themselves the "must-have" electronic gadget or wide-screen TV, etc. The Wal-Mart tragedy is simply the inevitable result of this obsession with material goods.

It's not just appalling when those who buy these things can't afford them, but even when those who can do so--what does it teach our children? That Christmas is merely an excuse to get more stuff? That stuff is the goal of life? What happened to the days when parents spent, say, $100 to $200 per kid? Or spent only what they could afford, even if it meant giving just one or two nice gifts from a list of 10? Now it seems that parents feel compelled to spend $500, $800, $1000, or more per child. Or to make sure their kids get everything on their lists. Even if one can afford it, really, do our children need all this stuff?

We've tried hard to reduce this in our family. Though we're careful not to go overboard at Christmas, our families do. We've had to ask them to NOT get them so much stuff! To instead take some of the money they would have spent on our kids and give it to charity or gift drives for underprivileged kids. Or get them one or two nice gifts instead of a huge assortment. We don't need it. And we don't want our kids to lose what's important--spending time with family, giving thanks for what we have, contemplating the plight of others less fortunate and deciding what we can do to help, and, because we are Christian, celebrating what Christmas is supposed to commemorate. (Not saying others can't "do" Christmas, just giving a personal perspective here.)

It saddens me, it really does. We finally, as I posted a few days ago, decided we "have" to get our oldest son a video-game system. He plays PC games, but I need to get him off my 'puter! And all, literally, of his friends have them and he's beginning to feel like an outcast. He's a natural loner, anyway, and we're trying to ensure he has things he can share and talk about with friends. To us, it's a matter of helping him socially, not giving him something he thinks he "needs." But regardless, I find it distressing that kids today are getting these things at younger & younger ages, are forgetting how to just "play," and feel entitled to all the newest "stuff," regardless of whether or not their parents can afford it. And parents, in the press to "keep up," find it necessary to dig themselves into debt so their kids can have the latest of everything. And will wait for hours to shop at dawn or before to get it, and will even trample another human being to death to do it. And then, get angry because the store closes.

It's so incredibly sad.
 
Amen, Anne.

Gwyn's room is packed full of toys. She has toys from 3, 4 Christmases ago that have never been opened. There just isn't enough time to play with all the crap that my husband's family buys her.

Last year Gwyn wanted only a Wii system - so we asked family to get her Target gift cards. She STILL got a ton of other little toys (that she's never played with) but it did reduce the amount of crap that showed up here.

We live in a duplex (in a fancy, schmancy area, heh!), upstairs from my inlaws - and while I love my MIL, I want to scream everytime Gwyn comes upstairs with a new doodad or toy that Gramma picked up for her- which is pretty much all the time.

I feel bad, but after a day or two I usually just throw them away or tuck them underneath clothes in the "donate" box. What a waste! And I don't know how to tell her to STOP. Actually - I did discuss the problem of "all the toys poeple buy her" when we talked about the gift cards for the Wii last year, but I guess she doesn't connect the two.

It's hard, though - since Gwyn spends 40% of her time at her birth-mom's house. I try to reduce the materialistic impact on her, but then she goes to her Mom's and it's all about "stuff". And her Grandma over there is pretty much a pushover that will buy ANYTHING that Gwyn asks for.
How do I combat that?? We try to keep the presents we give to a minimum, but her Mom approaches it with a "I give you more because I love you more" attitude.
Seriously - this is a woman who possibly has breast cancer (we can't get a straight answer out of her so we're not sure if it's a sympathy ploy. And yes, she would stoop that low) and who told Gwyn recently "If anything ever happens to me, I want you to remember that I love you more than your Dad does". Ugh.

I fear it's going to get worse this year - now that she's going to school here, her classmates are pretty much all pretty wealthy (there's not a house on this island under $900k) and I can only imagine the kinds of things they'll be getting for Christmas.
Bah humbug.
 
It is so tough with kids now...everyone has so much.

With us we have always told the boys that it's not that we can't afford it...it is what we decide to do with our money. We would rather travel and have lasting experiences than the "stuff".

Thanks for the reminder Lizzie...I always enjoy your blog!!
 
There just isn't enough time to play with all the crap that my husband's family buys her.

I hear ya, Kristine! It's primarily my husband's family that always went overboard.... Their living room at Christmas looked like a department store. Our kids still have stuff unopened from past Christmases, and we can't find it to give it away to charity! Or they'll run across something they only played with once, and when we suggest donating it, all of a sudden they can't live without it.

My brother, bless his heart, is very generous with our kids, but always makes sure that he knows what they need and like, so what he gets them will be used. He told me to let him know what game system we buy Jared, then he'll buy some games for it. That way, we don't have to break the bank on the Wii and the games both, and "Uncle Freddie" will get something to go with it. A practical plan, rather than just having people get more Hot Wheels cars, more action figures, etc. Which my kids DO NOT NEED. We've put our foot down and said no more Legos, puzzles, radio-activated or talking anything, etc. Books, gift cards, clothes--all fine. But skip the rest of the crap, please!!!!!

DH & I even hate Christmas shopping now; we do most of it online or buy gift cards. We used to enjoy it, but can't deal with the rude, pushy crowds and the excesses any longer..... God, we sound like a couple of misers, but we're not. We both just should have lived about 100 years ago. I guess that's why we collect "old stuff," because it reminds us of simpler, yet more difficult, times. Better to be out in the fields working, though, and staying fit than sitting at the desks getting fatter by the minute.
 
Originally posted by vintagebaubles
What happened to the days when parents spent, say, $100 to $200 per kid? Or spent only what they could afford, even if it meant giving just one or two nice gifts from a list of 10?

I don't know since those days never went away at our house.
200 bucks, that's it.
And I only have one kid so I'm a mean mom....
 
Julie, you're not a mean mom! We generally only spend like $75 per kid, and our families buy them a lot. But from what I gather, spending only that much money on your kids is unheard of these days. So if you're mean, my DH & I qualify as child abusers.....

Our entire Christmas budget every year is around $500--and that covers our 2 kids, both families, and a handful of friends and teachers. Thank God, though, that my husband's family is small. Mine is huge, so it would be just about impossible to buy for everyone on that budget if his was large.
 
Originally posted by vintagebaubles
Julie, you're not a mean mom! We generally only spend like $75 per kid, and our families buy them a lot. But from what I gather, spending only that much money on your kids is unheard of these days. So if you're mean, my DH & I qualify as child abusers.....

;-)

The great thing is that as my son gets older he gets less "crap" as presents...now all he really wants is money so he can get the big ticket items we won't buy him.

We stopped buying Christmas presents for everyone except our parents years ago (we did tell them don't buy our kids presents, we won't buy your kids presents) unless we will actually be with them at Christmas...and normally we spend Christmas on our own since we can't travel because of $$$, too many pets and my husband's job.
Works for me.
 
Or they'll run across something they only played with once, and when we suggest donating it, all of a sudden they can't live without it.

Bwahahaha!
Sounds just like Gwyn.
After posting here this morning I talked to Gwyn about how we need to clear some stuff out of her room because Xmas is coming (and her Bday is in January!).
She said "Maybe you should do it when I'm not here - whenever I have to do it I can't bring myself to get rid of anything!"

At least she's realistic ;)
 
When my oldest son was small he came with me to Target one day. He saw a cartoon t shirt he wanted, it was clearanced to 1.24, so I said yes.
A little while later he asked for a coke. I told him I only had so much money with me and to pick the shirt or the coke - but remember, the coke will be gone before we even get home. He picked the shirt.

Today he asked if I was going to get him something for Christmas, could it be a battery for his car. He's trying to save up to move out and he's pinching every penny. I said yes, if that is what you want. He looked relieved and said, yeah. I'll also get him a little something extra, but it won't be a video game or cd he doesn't need, but a gas card. Something to help him keep a little more of his money in savings.

It's hard to teach kids that Christmas doesn't have to be a giant credit card extravaganza when faced with TV, classmates and friends who's family believes love is measured by stuff, etc.

My kids were always a little disappointed at Christmas because there was no way we could compete with some of their friends parents. The great thing is, each year they understand a little more and we all have a more relaxed and enjoyable holiday, and less and less disappointment.

I gotta share this: My youngest son went to the mall last week with his brother, sister and cousins. They were just window shopping. He came home and plopped on my bed so I asked him what was wrong. It took a while for him to find his words, but he finally said "Mom, everybody is busy trying to get the best, perfect gift. They aren't thinking about Jesus".
Now, we are not hyper religious, but we go to church. He has such a tender heart, sees everything in black and white, good and bad, and he didn't get how everyone could be so wrapped up in what he thought was secondary at the holidays. I am proud of him and his feelings. I am also terrified the world will eat him alive~
 
It took a while for him to find his words, but he finally said "Mom, everybody is busy trying to get the best, perfect gift. They aren't thinking about Jesus".

Awww, Sharon, that is SO sweet.... He "gets" it, despite his young age. We don't go to church as much these days as we used to, but we try to instill in our kids what "Christ"mas is based on. And my little one (6 years old) takes it very seriously. I fear, like you, that the world will eat my kids up alive. Even the older one, who has told his dad & I that if we can't afford the video-game system it's OK--he can wait till next year, recognizes that Christmas is not supposed to be a gift fest.

We have good friends who are very religious (but not fanatics), and they have a tradition that I think is really nice. They bake a birthday cake for Jesus on Christmas, and really celebrate the day as a birthday. Their family and ours stopped exchanging gifts years ago, figuring we didn't need to get any more entangled in the materialism that we were already in.... It's nice for us to have friends who understand what we're trying to do, as they are as well.
 
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