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Oooops! Seems I posted earlier in the wrong place. Newbie here, so please forgive me. :hiya:

I'd love to know roughly what decade this sweet thing might be from. It's in such excellent condition and for a very petite lady. I thought maybe the trim and 3/4 length sleeves might be a clue but, really, I'm not all that comfortable dating vintage clothing (yet).
 

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I agree with the above but just wanted to add that it may not be a petite size as many matching jackets from this era were a cropped length to hit the waist of the matching garment, which could be higher than you expect. The 3/4 length sleeves are also a trend from the 60's.
 
Pinkcoke said:
I agree with the above but just wanted to add that it may not be a petite size as many matching jackets from this era were a cropped length to hit the waist of the matching garment, which could be higher than you expect. The 3/4 length sleeves are also a trend from the 60's.
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Thank you, Melanie! I haven't properly measured it yet but it's very narrow across the shoulders so this is why I think it's a petite size. I realize it's a cropped jacket with 3/4 length sleeves. :)
 
poppysvintageclothing said:
It looks more like swakara or astrakan fur than persian lamb. I have had similar jackets in the past, little evening jackets. I would agree it looks very early 60s as well.
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I've never heard of swakara or astrakan. Thank you! When I googled about what fur this could be, I was not convinced it was lamb. I believe there are sellers out there who in the same boat as me but I hate to list an item as something it's not. I love the research, though.
 
There's an awful lot of mis-identified vintage out there on the intarwebs. That's why I appreciate professional sellers like VFG members.

Yes, the three quarter length sleeve (my favourite) is called "bracelet length" as it shows off your arm jewellery.
 
Circa Vintage said:
There's an awful lot of mis-identified vintage out there on the intarwebs. That's why I appreciate professional sellers like VFG members.

Yes, the three quarter length sleeve (my favourite) is called "bracelet length" as it shows off your arm jewellery.
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Thank you so much for this information. What a wonderful resource we have in this day and age to learn and share.
 
Hey there, Very cute and I agree in part. Early 60s and it looks like part of a skirt or dress set and something that Jackie O would have worn.

As for the type of Lamb it is; Mary Jane was headed in the right direction. It's not Persian Lamb. Astrakhan Lamb looks like Persian Lamb though, the two are just from different regions. Persian Lamb(used to be Persia, now Iran), Astrakhan(Russia) both have tightly coiled curled fur or hair.

Swakara is a brand name of Broadtail Lamb. Yours could be Swakara but if it were it would have a label inside that said Swakara. If there is no Swakara label then it is just Broadtail lamb which feels more smooth, and more of a wavy, moiré like appearance.
 
Oh dear! I'm reading up on swakara and astrakan fur and feeling a bit distraught and confused. It seems lamb fur is known by several names like broadtail, swakara, astrakhan, persian lamb and karakul. Value is determined by the age of the pelts, some of which are taken from the unborn lamb. Is it primarily the astrakhan fur that is taken from fetal sheep? Ouffff..

a snippet from an article on eBay about lamb fur states "One of the quality factors that determine the price of a lamb fur coat is the look of the fur. Flat, shiny, dense, wavy, silky like texture is priced highly. Whereas long haired, curly or frizzy fur is evalueted at lower prices. This has to do with the age of the sheep skin. Younger or unborn sheeps carry the silky flat features mentioned previously."
 
Furwise said:
Hey there, Very cute and I agree in part. Early 60s and it looks like part of a skirt or dress set and something that Jackie O would have worn.

As for the type of Lamb it is; Mary Jane was headed in the right direction. It's not Persian Lamb. Astrakhan Lamb looks like Persian Lamb though, the two are just from different regions. Persian Lamb(used to be Persia, now Iran), Astrakhan(Russia) both have tightly coiled curled fur or hair.

Swakara is a brand name of Broadtail Lamb. Yours could be Swakara but if it were it would have a label inside that said Swakara. If there is no Swakara label then it is just Broadtail lamb which feels more smooth, and more of a wavy, moiré like appearance.
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I did read that Swakara was a brand name. Your explanation makes more sense but isn't this broadtail from unborn sheep? I like that it's more valued but not so much how it is acquired.

My little jacket bears no label.
 
Furwise said:
Don't fret. For clarity on all the various lamb types I recommend reading about lamb in our fur resource section.

http://vintagefashionguild.org/fur-resource/lamb-sheep/
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Perhaps mine is the American processed broadtail which is more durable. Just a wild guess as the condition is excellent and has no label. Since I can't know the feel of the more expensive kind and this American version is dyed, I feel better thinking this sweet thing didn't come from an unborn lamb. Honestly, I get upset at the sight of roadkill.
 
I understand how you feel. Even though I specialize in vintage furs my heart hurts when any living thing is harmed in any way. I do appreciate all of fashion history though. I know fur was and is a part of fashion history and I know fur keeps people warm. I hope people can appreciate the beauty of vintage fur garments, preserve the condition, and wear those, rather than harming animals today just for the sake of their fur.
 
Furwise said:
I understand how you feel. Even though I specialize in vintage furs my heart hurts when any living thing is harmed in any way. I do appreciate all of fashion history though. I know fur was and is a part of fashion history and I know fur keeps people warm. I hope people can appreciate the beauty of vintage fur garments, preserve the condition, and wear those, rather than harming animals today just for the sake of their fur.
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Great attitude. I think I've acquired enough information on the era, the style and type of fur. I'll just chose to believe there was no suffering on the part of the poor thing(s). Thanks for all your help.
 
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