Black velvet Chanel gloves with leather palms

Pinkcoke

Pinkcoke

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This Chanel label doesn't appear in the resource but going by the style of writing I think it fits between 1930-50. It most resembles Jonathon's c.1936 submission however this doesn't say what it appeared on (I assume a garment due to the size).
Just googling I found a seller who had an identical pair in green and dated them 1920's but didn't really say why anywhere. I suspect these are a bit later.
Why would gloves be in velvet and leather? do these have a specific use? or was it assumed they would be worn so often it was sensible to make them hard wearing?
My apologies for the photos I've yet to get someone with hands to fit them to model for me!
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I can't remember what my 1936 Chanel label came out of now, but I think it was a slip...
Brevete means patent, but I don't know what the S.G.D.G. stands for...
The machine sewing on these seems a bit crude for Chanel, I also don't like the large fabric label sewn inside the guantlet. Any glove labels I have seen have always been either ink stamped on the lining, or a very small tag sewn into a seam on the inside. I also don't like how the label has been sewn on - its too crude for Chanel. I have seen leather palmed fabric gloves before but I don't know when they date from - my guess would be sometimes between the late 30s and early 50s, but as Chanel was out of business 1940-1954, if these were Chanel, which I doubt, it would narrow their date considerably.
 
s.g.d.g. is an abreviation of 'sans garantie du gouvernement' (French: without government guarantee; of patents) and was in use until the 70s.

Yes I had similar doubts when I first got hold of them Jonathon, but seeing the identical chartreuse green pair convinced me more as they have the same label and came from a lot with edwardian, 20's & 30's items, it has the same standard of machine and hand stitching (I admit my label is very loose but they have been worn a lot more) It's difficult with the absence of labels from this period and I haven't seen any other examples of chanel gloves this age either.
I think the label wasn't placed a the side because of the type of stitching used where the two fabrics' cut edges are bound together, any tag inserted would make a bump or the extra fabric would be seen. And since they are fabric inside they couldn't be stamped. It may not be apparant in the photos but the label is approximately an inch long. The gloves stop just short of the elbow.
 
Good to know what s.g.d.g. stands for...
The label looked larger in the image, so if it is only an inch long that makes more sense. Well, they aren't couture - they are ready-made gloves intended for export sale in an English language market so they could certainly be what they appear to be. The one thing that occurred to me when I first saw them was because they were so peculiar (outside seam, combination of velvet and leather), and worn, that worked to their advantage as being real. BTW, are they not velveteen? They look cotton in the pics, but I'm not sure. I would love to see the similar pair in chartreuse.
 
Yes it makes sense that they would mark them patented if they were for export and I understand at this time there was a lot of French fashion goods coming to England; I'm thinking they are 20's/30's and therefore before much of the real fame, it would also fit in with the colour scheme set (though I don't know where chartreuse green fits in - do you?)
Yes they probably are velveteen - sorry I don't know where you stop calling something velvet and start calling it velveteen - if it means a very short pile thin velvet effect then yes :)
I can't post a link to the other pair as it is a comercial site however it does come up easily in a google search. I can show you the pictures though:
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That very bright chartreuse green shows up late 30s - I have it in a brown and green crepe dress from c. 1938, otherwise I have seen it in the late 40s, with navy, but since Chanel isn't around in the late 40s I guess these could be more likely very late 30s.
 
You're welcome Mary.
Thankyou Jonathon, I did find in my own pictures a 30's dress from the V&A in oyster silk with chartreuse green velvet down the back so late 30's does seem to fit better. It also matches up with the font being so similar to your slip label.
 
Stunning gloves! According to French Wikipedia, the term Breveté S.G.D.G. was in use until 1968, and it was based on a law that was passed in 1844. The meaning is the patent is given "without prior examination, at the risk of applicants, and without warranty of the reality, novelty or merit of the invention, or of either the truth or accuracy of the description". I find this kinda funny... :).


Karin
 
Hello all, these are going up for auction today so I wanted to check, could I use art deco in the keywords?
I was on an art deco enthusiast's site and they said art deco ranged from the 1920's to the early 1940's but I wanted to know if you thought I could use it in association with the period these gloves were made.
Also in their small section on gloves they said certainly in the early art deco period they were being worn in the day much more than the evening, would you say my gloves were for day or evening wear?
 
I think your lovely gloves are an early driving glove, thus the leather palms. But they are more formal and dressier than a "day" driving glove, so I'm thinking these were meant to be worn by the lady independent enough to have an automobile and/or who would drive herself to something like a semi-formal daytime luncheon or tea, early evening dinner, and so forth (independent women and Chanel would certainly NOT be an anachronism!). But not formal enough for occasions like the opera, a ball, etc. I'm not sure why you couldn't call them art deco--they are of the era and the angled finish on the leather lends that deco feel to them. (JMO!)
 
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