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Jluthye

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Ok so I have these two dresses, very dirty but I am sure still good for costume or study... any who i dont know if I am nuking it (overthinking) or just off....

the first one... pink flowered labeled dickson and ives, and David Roth Original... I am thinking early 50s on this one... but not sure if maybe late 40s. It comes to about mid calf in length and look goofy with a crinoline under it.. has a built in light crinolin/slip.long metal side zipper.. I am looking fo rinformation on David Roth please...

Second one.. my camera died before I could get more pics.. I was thinking 40s on this one but it has confusing features on it for me. The more square neck is throwing me off and the back actually dips low like a strapless dress but that is the under layere, the sheer layer is what you see. is has a a metal side zipper but not the normal teeth kind... its like the little cups or scoops that lock ,,,,but it is a hidden zipper, so I am confused on the date... very long and I havent looked for a label yet... also very dirty but I want to recostruct a replica for a wedding dress!! It was gorgeous in its day Im sure.

Thank you all and hope eveyone had a great Christmas!!!
 
I think you are right on both - the first dress looks c. 1949/50 to me. That insertion band in the skirt is common in the late 1940s as a way to lengthen wartime skirts that were too short for the New Look and fashion manufacturers copied the look for new styles as well. The floral dress looks to be c. 1940ish - just before the US involvement in the war. If it were earlier the neckline would be rounder and more open rather than plunging and the sleeves would be puffier. The zipper was in common use by 1939 so that makes sense too.
 
I found two snippets of information in Ancestry.com's newspaper database:

-- a 1945 ad for a David Roth dress

-- a 1950 article about Miami's top 38 coutouriers that noted that "Miami believes in slim sheath skirts only when they cover up with comfy, figure-hiding drapes and panels. In the collection of high-stylist David Roth, for instance, were several snug-skirted numbers which gave all the illusion of being as cocoon-like as those from Paris, but always they were relieved by pouf folds, ruffled drapes, or floating panels at the portion of the hipline where bulges are apt to bulge."

From the Newspaperarchive.com database we find:

-- a 1946 ad for David Roth cocktail dress with a jacket

-- a 1947 ad for a David Roth Original that notes that "David Roth recalls the elegance of the Renaissance with his creation of this new side drape cocktail dress"

-- a 1947 ad for a David Roth Originals long black sheath


Lynne
 
wow thank you all and lynne... so would it be worng to to put in the listing that this dress as a department store (dickson and ives) designed by couturer David Roth?

also any idea on how to go about cleaning these two... or is it even worth trying?

I was going to sel them as is.... I believe the David Roth one to be some type of acetate... it does not feel like cotton or any common material. and the 40s one is very delicate... the pink on it is actually flocked.

thanks all!!

Makes me feel better that I am getting the hang of this :-)
 
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