Dating and Fabric Help on Antique Skirt?

[DaisyandStella]

I'd love some help on dating this skirt and the fabric ID.
I'm wondering if the skirt could be reproduction and not an authentic antique?
Brocade type fabric - the back side is a negative image but I wouldn't consider it reversible as it's quite dull and so I'm not sure it's damask. Last image shows fabric face and reverse side.

Two larger old hook/eye closures at back waist.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

 

[Pinkcoke]

That is odd - does the fringe trim folow a seam or it was just attached on top?

 

[anothertimevintageapparel]

The fabric appears more modern and it looks like a reproduction or costume piece.

 

[Jonathan]

It's hard to tell is the fabric is old without handling it, but the trims look old. It looks to me like it may be a Victorian wedding skirt from the 1870s that was recut it into an A-line skirt using some of the original trim.

 

[DaisyandStella]

That is odd - does the fringe trim folow a seam or it was just attached on top?

The fringe is attached via hand stitches..

 

[DaisyandStella]

That is odd - does the fringe trim folow a seam or it was just attached on top?

Also it does follow flap seams with exception of hem trim

 

[Pinkcoke]

When you say flap seams - are these trimmed pieces free from the main skirt - like panels or an overskirt? What's odd to me is that the two shapes formed by the fringe trim, wether or not these are part of the main skirt, don't match, one is curved the other more like a corner - unless that's not the true front in the first photo? Does the trim curve in another place?

 

[DaisyandStella]

It's hard to tell is the fabric is old without handling it, but the trims look old. It looks to me like it may be a Victorian wedding skirt from the 1870s that was recut it into an A-line skirt using some of the original trim.

Jonathan the backside of the fabric is what threw me off - the face looks

When you say flap seams - are these trimmed pieces free from the main skirt - like panels or an overskirt? What's odd to me is that the two shapes formed by the fringe trim, wether or not these are part of the main skirt, don't match, one is curved the other more like a corner - unless that's not the true front in the first photo? Does the trim curve in another place?

Yes, sorry I was unclear. The curved flap is a partial overskirt. Underneath and running from waistband to hem is a short flap type seam attached to main skirt if that makes sense.

 

[DaisyandStella]

Jonathan the backside of the fabric is what threw me off - the face looks

Yes, sorry I was unclear. The curved flap is a partial overskirt. Underneath and running from waistband to hem is a short flap type seam attached to main skirt if that makes sense.

Photos of these areas are attached.

 

[Rue_de_la_Paix]

I also think this has been altered from an old dress/garment, or possibly made up new to resemble and older garment.

The fabric is a brocade. Like Jonathan, I cannot tell the fabric's age from the photos. At first it looked like a silk brocade, but the added photos that show the reverse and close ups reveal what looks like either a silk blend (silk/cotton or silk/rayon) or a fabric made of rayon and cotton (no silk). So perhaps it is not an antique fabric, as that would likely be a pure silk brocade. If you can do a burn test you can determine if it is silk. The ground weave does have a silk look to it. The pattern reminds me a lot of those 1960s Jacobean revival brocades that were so hugely popular.

In the close ups, one can see the fringe is clearly not dressmaker quality. It looks like rather inexpensive pillow fringe or upholstery type fringe. It is not what one would find on an antique garment.

I think it was made up as a costume.

 

[DaisyandStella]

I also think this has been altered from an old dress/garment, or possibly made up new to resemble and older garment.

The fabric is a brocade. Like Jonathan, I cannot tell the fabric's age from the photos. At first it looked like a silk brocade, but the added photos that show the reverse and close ups reveal what looks like either a silk blend (silk/cotton or silk/rayon) or a fabric made of rayon and cotton (no silk). So perhaps it is not an antique fabric, as that would likely be a pure silk brocade. If you can do a burn test you can determine if it is silk. The ground weave does have a silk look to it. The pattern reminds me a lot of those 1960s Jacobean revival brocades that were so hugely popular.

In the close ups, one can see the fringe is clearly not dressmaker quality. It looks like rather inexpensive pillow fringe or upholstery type fringe. It is not what one would find on an antique garment.

I think it was made up as a costume.

Thank you!