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Rue_de_la_Paix
VFG Member
Hi,
That is cute. It is kind of hard to be sure, as certainly that style was popular in the mid to late 1930's. But I think I will go with very late 1940's to mid 1950s on this one. My lady Dobbs hats from the 1930s have a different label, and the "straw" (?) braid looks sort of post WWII.
That is cute. It is kind of hard to be sure, as certainly that style was popular in the mid to late 1930's. But I think I will go with very late 1940's to mid 1950s on this one. My lady Dobbs hats from the 1930s have a different label, and the "straw" (?) braid looks sort of post WWII.
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bycin
Guest
Hi Barbara! Hey, do you have a source/link for Dobbs labels? I've been looking all over the place!!
I'd love to see your lady Dobbs hat label.
And thanks for the reply. I appreciate it a lot!
I'd love to see your lady Dobbs hat label.
And thanks for the reply. I appreciate it a lot!
Rue_de_la_Paix
VFG Member
Hello,
No, I don't have a source for Dobbs labels, I never had an inkling to search around for one. I have several Dobbs hats from the 30s and 40s for women, but they are not accessible to show you. I don't refer to labels all that much for dating a hat, although in some instances it can be the deciding factor.
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No, I don't have a source for Dobbs labels, I never had an inkling to search around for one. I have several Dobbs hats from the 30s and 40s for women, but they are not accessible to show you. I don't refer to labels all that much for dating a hat, although in some instances it can be the deciding factor.
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bycin
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Sorry if my question bothered you. Was just trying to learn and I'm a visual person. I do refer to labels for dating things that might be, like this, late40s, early50s, to pinpoint.
Pinkcoke
Alumni
Hi bycin, Barbara may have meant they weren't accessible literally, many of us have some of our collections in different buildings, or storage etcetera ;) so it's not possible to pull it out easily for a pic.
Were you aware the hat appears to have a bootlace/bolo tie around it? I don't think this is original to the hat unless I've missed this trend somehow...
Were you aware the hat appears to have a bootlace/bolo tie around it? I don't think this is original to the hat unless I've missed this trend somehow...
Rue_de_la_Paix
VFG Member
Bycin,
Oh my! Of course your question did not bother me. Did I somehow give that impression? I don't think so. I appreciated seeing your hat and your label. I was only explaining why I personally don't bother to search around for label resources, and why I did not have one to recommend to you. There are some good on-line sources for labels, and for men's hat's such as The Fedora Lounge. They may have some Dobb's labels or know of someone who does.
Melanie is correct, my hats are packed all over the place, stacked 12 feet high all over my home. So that is what I meant when I said they were not accessible to show you. Right now I am in the middle of inventory for a photo shoot and my winter hats (the Dobbs) are WAY in the back piles. or who knows where!
I don't use labels for dating so much, but that is only because when you have been doing this for as long as I have, you just get a sense for a hat's age without even turning it over. Of course, labels are important and on occasion (as in your case with your hat) can be the best way to pinpoint a date on a certain hat.
Please ask us anything, and I apologize if you mistook my comments in any way. We love questions!
Oh my! Of course your question did not bother me.
Did I somehow give that impression? I don't think so. I appreciated seeing your hat and your label. I was only explaining why I personally don't bother to search around for label resources, and why I did not have one to recommend to you. There are some good on-line sources for labels, and for men's hat's such as The Fedora Lounge. They may have some Dobb's labels or know of someone who does.Melanie is correct, my hats are packed all over the place, stacked 12 feet high all over my home. So that is what I meant when I said they were not accessible to show you. Right now I am in the middle of inventory for a photo shoot and my winter hats (the Dobbs) are WAY in the back piles. or who knows where!
I don't use labels for dating so much, but that is only because when you have been doing this for as long as I have, you just get a sense for a hat's age without even turning it over. Of course, labels are important and on occasion (as in your case with your hat) can be the best way to pinpoint a date on a certain hat.
Please ask us anything, and I apologize if you mistook my comments in any way. We love questions!
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bycin
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The phrase "I never had an inkling to search around for one" made me feel that I was bothering you. And "I don't refer to labels all that much for dating a hat" also made me feel like I was asking a dumb question.
"bootlace/bolo tie" It's a velvet cord (about 1/4 inch wide) with brass ends, not like any shoe lace I've seen... when were bootlace made of velvet? What kind of shoe would that have been on?
"bootlace/bolo tie" It's a velvet cord (about 1/4 inch wide) with brass ends, not like any shoe lace I've seen... when were bootlace made of velvet? What kind of shoe would that have been on?
Pinkcoke
Alumni
It's not related to footwear, but that's what they are called. (bootlace just refers to the style of cord) It's a neck tie, usually worn by men and often over a western style shirt. It would have had a metal slider both the ends go through that is pulled up to the collar where a tie knot would sit. If you google the phrase 'bolo tie' and click images you will see many examples of the complete item.
The slider was probably lost or repurposed because they are often highly decorative, featuring animals, symbols, natural stones etc.
The slider was probably lost or repurposed because they are often highly decorative, featuring animals, symbols, natural stones etc.
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bycin
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Soooo... should I remove it?
Pinkcoke
Alumni
It looks a little odd to me, the cord a bit chunky and the ends a bit heavy for such a light hat. Obviously someone's idea of 'sprucing up' a plain hat.
Barabara would know better than me what these Dobson hats originally had for trim, but I would suspect this was either plain or had a ribbon around it.
If I were you, I'd just check it's not hiding any holes or marks underneath, and then remove.
Barabara would know better than me what these Dobson hats originally had for trim, but I would suspect this was either plain or had a ribbon around it.
If I were you, I'd just check it's not hiding any holes or marks underneath, and then remove.
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bycin
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No holes, no marks under said bolo. It's stitched with a light baste stitch with an invisible thread here and there. I am really uncomfortable being the next person in line "sprucing up" the hat... know what I mean? Should I leave it alone and declare that that's how I found it, let its next owner decide?