Double check my fabric:gorgeous damask?
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I think it's a brocade (which is another type of jacquard), but I'm not sure. Brocade often has long floats, but I believe (as in the example we show in the fabric resource), floats are sometimes woven in, so the reverse is a solid fabric, rather than one with noticeable floats.
What's unusual is the ribbed texture of the black background to the motifs. I'm wondering if it's a type of ottoman or bengaline, but I can't quite see what's going on - maybe you can see more clearly. So perhaps a kind of combo of brocade / on a ground of a horizontal ribbed fabric such as bengaline.
This doesn't strike me as a truly reversible in the way a damask is. You do see the pattern on the back of a brocade, but not as an exact mirror image.
The ribbed section is not showing on the back which is why I think this doesn't meet the definition of damask, which would have the same weave showing on the reverse side, but in a mirror image of the front.
I'm no fabric expert though.
Looks like a wonderful dress!
What's unusual is the ribbed texture of the black background to the motifs. I'm wondering if it's a type of ottoman or bengaline, but I can't quite see what's going on - maybe you can see more clearly. So perhaps a kind of combo of brocade / on a ground of a horizontal ribbed fabric such as bengaline.
This doesn't strike me as a truly reversible in the way a damask is. You do see the pattern on the back of a brocade, but not as an exact mirror image.
The ribbed section is not showing on the back which is why I think this doesn't meet the definition of damask, which would have the same weave showing on the reverse side, but in a mirror image of the front.
I'm no fabric expert though.
Looks like a wonderful dress!
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I'm seeing corresponds to what Ruth sees, a ribbed faced fabric with a jacquard-woven pattern. I've not seen anything like this, and I don't know if there is a more specific name for it. It looks wonderful!
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Thank you Ruth ! That was tremendously helpful. It looks closest to bengaline, the ribbed aspect of the fabric. It has black and green very cool. And I would say the flowers are woven into it. So maybe brocade roses woven into bengaline fabric
Its really fabulous. Rose pattern dresses are popular and common in vintage but I haven't seen one like this.
It was made in France for a NYC boutique
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For anyone interested in the history i finally dug something up!
Pretty awesome
So now I wonder.... the woman who started her shop , in the 1920s and her business bought large multiple locations. She died sometime in the 1940s.
Her daughters took over or were running particular shops I presume. When did the company shut down? It makes me wonder if my dress is from the 1940s late 40s
one of her daughters was named Rose. Hmm Rose dress lol Which i love and its my daughters middle name was almost her first name..
ah i just love finding things out!
also is this considered couture?
Pretty awesome
So now I wonder.... the woman who started her shop , in the 1920s and her business bought large multiple locations. She died sometime in the 1940s.
Her daughters took over or were running particular shops I presume. When did the company shut down? It makes me wonder if my dress is from the 1940s late 40s
one of her daughters was named Rose. Hmm Rose dress lol Which i love and its my daughters middle name was almost her first name..
ah i just love finding things out!
also is this considered couture?
Belina Kreinick founded a high-end dress emporium. She dressed the elite, the Jewish aristocracy and show business finest.
[Story from Tony Williams, husband of Belina's granddaughter, Pat Brauer, daughter of Raye Kreinick, Belina Melba Kreinick's daughter. William Kreinick separated, and was not really in the picture. Belina got out of Romania and worked sewing linings in fur coats in Paris. She went to New York. She was good, and someone encouraged her to open her own shop. So she did. Each daughter eventually ran one of the Kreinick 'drop shops,' where ladies would get measured; the garments were made at the original shop by a cadre of young women. The finished product would be delivered (dropped) back to the originating shop and a beautifully dressed lady would emerge.
[Story from Tony Williams, husband of Belina's granddaughter, Pat Brauer, daughter of Raye Kreinick, Belina Melba Kreinick's daughter. William Kreinick separated, and was not really in the picture. Belina got out of Romania and worked sewing linings in fur coats in Paris. She went to New York. She was good, and someone encouraged her to open her own shop. So she did. Each daughter eventually ran one of the Kreinick 'drop shops,' where ladies would get measured; the garments were made at the original shop by a cadre of young women. The finished product would be delivered (dropped) back to the originating shop and a beautifully dressed lady would emerge.
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That is a lovely dress. I don't think it would be straightforward couture however.