Formal Wool Tails - Rogers Peet - Era Dates & Any other Specifics
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*~Eli!
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Oh I omitted details: Rogers Peet was a men's clothing company founded on November 6, 1874 and closed in the 80s. A Rogers Peet truck is in a Breakfast at Tiffanys scene and mentioned in one of the songs in the musical Guys & Dolls. There is actually a fair amount of information on them I have found. I just have no idea what might be the date or era of this tuxedo, since I have little to no experience with them.
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Pinkcoke
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Formal menswear is often hard to date because it essentially stayed the same for many decades, so you're not alone!
Do you have any photos of the lining, particularly the inner sleeve if it is a different fabric? Does the tail have a 'pocket' inside? Are there any other labels - check inside all pockets.
Do you have any photos of the lining, particularly the inner sleeve if it is a different fabric? Does the tail have a 'pocket' inside? Are there any other labels - check inside all pockets.
*~Eli!
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No Zippers, all horizontal buttons. The buttons are either wool covered or, what I think may be wood.
All seams are fully closed. Jacket is lined in a Black, very thick but refined cotton? twill that has a sheen to it. The sleeves are lined an off white (natural undyed cotton it looks to me). There is one pocket inside the tail coat it is a vertical right pocket.
The pants are lined in the same natural cotton, but at the waist and a few other key points that appear to be lined in a thick, textured, very high quality silk (almost like that found on 30s to 50s formal gowns) sort of what is in the back ground of very fine brocades. The pants have a watch fob slit pocket on the right and two vertical slit pockets in front. Every inch of both garments is surges, stitched, closed hemmed or pinked. There is not a spot that is not carefully finished.
Look at the hand writing on the inside pocket.
I hope these help.
Sorry for the fuzz and fur in the pics. My cat came and sat on the tux, when I went to refill my coffee.
All seams are fully closed. Jacket is lined in a Black, very thick but refined cotton? twill that has a sheen to it. The sleeves are lined an off white (natural undyed cotton it looks to me). There is one pocket inside the tail coat it is a vertical right pocket.
The pants are lined in the same natural cotton, but at the waist and a few other key points that appear to be lined in a thick, textured, very high quality silk (almost like that found on 30s to 50s formal gowns) sort of what is in the back ground of very fine brocades. The pants have a watch fob slit pocket on the right and two vertical slit pockets in front. Every inch of both garments is surges, stitched, closed hemmed or pinked. There is not a spot that is not carefully finished.
Look at the hand writing on the inside pocket.
I hope these help.
Sorry for the fuzz and fur in the pics. My cat came and sat on the tux, when I went to refill my coffee.
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These are difficult to date but judging by the actual label and the writing...I would say this may be from the 1920s or a little earlier.
carla rey
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I had a 30s tux vest a while back. Here is the link with the labels and additional outside links
http://forums.vintagefashionguild.org/threads/help-dating-a-tuxedo-vest.49111/
http://forums.vintagefashionguild.org/threads/help-dating-a-tuxedo-vest.49111/
*~Eli!
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No pockets I can find in the tail. The pockets are in the torso of the jacket.
Thanks for the link and help. This piece is in amazing condition, if it is truly 20s or 30s, it has been professionally stored no doubt. The wear is nominal at best. Very exciting if we can close confirm it to be truly that old. I will be very gratified to find out that to be the case.
Any further info anyone may be willing to share, would be greatly appreciated.
*~Eli
Thanks for the link and help. This piece is in amazing condition, if it is truly 20s or 30s, it has been professionally stored no doubt. The wear is nominal at best. Very exciting if we can close confirm it to be truly that old. I will be very gratified to find out that to be the case.
Any further info anyone may be willing to share, would be greatly appreciated.
*~Eli
pastperfect2
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I also think its 1910s - 1920s, possibly early 30s. The flat front pants, notch V waistband with inseam watch pocket, button fly and the type of suspender buttons are consistent with dated examples I have seen. Also the soft , not super padded shoulders and looser fit on the sleeves and shorter waist length of the coat. It would have been worn with a white pique or silk vest and matching white bow tie. It is actually not a Tuxedo, but a Formal or Tail coat. A tuxedo is a short coat , like a suit coat, that functionally buttons at the front while the formal tail coat hasn't been worn buttoned in about a 150 years.
Is there a center front seam on the coat? If so, it's at the earlier range of dates.
One last place to look for a tailor label is on the back side of the interior watch pocket in the waistband of the pants.
Is there a center front seam on the coat? If so, it's at the earlier range of dates.
One last place to look for a tailor label is on the back side of the interior watch pocket in the waistband of the pants.
*~Eli!
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Im sorry, what do you mean by center front seam? If you mean down the front panels of the coat, then no. The only front seam is a partial seam / dart on the bottom of each side of the front, that coincides to where the tail begins. If that makes sense.
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A gracious thank you, to you all, once again
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