Hecho en China

Trish

Trish

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I've been looking, but I can't seem to find info on when Spanish translations were added to American clothing labels. I realize it might be a voluntary measure, but it has become so pervasive in current garments.

I'd like to be able to quote the source; to supply evidence that a garment is not vintage.

Many thanks,
Trish
 
Trish if you'd like help with evidence on why a garment is not vintage, you could also post pics of it, and the labels - and provide content info. There's likely to be more than just the translation.
 
Thanks, Nicole. I will bring individual items here on a case by case manner. However, I was wondering if there was a date for a labeling act or decree for Spanish translations--a rule of thumb, perhaps? Thanks!
Trish
 
Amber, these labels are in today's US clothing. There is clothing sold by Old Navy, Target (different brands), WalMart (different brands), etc. that is being passed off by sellers as vintage on a popular site.
If I do happen to see the label of the garment and it says hecho en China I pretty much know it isn't vintage--well, at least not older than 1990 (thanks, Nicole!).
Trish
 
Oh, I'm sorry. So you are speaking of labels that are bilingual then. In both English and Spanish. Then yes, those are indeed not vintage. I didn't start seeing that personally until arount the turn of the century. I used to work in retail clothing in the early to mid 90's and never saw that at that time.
 
Connie, Sadly, yes. Old Navy is well represented. I report and report, but the listings are never removed.

Amber, I was thinking turn of the century also--just wish I could find some documentation.

Thanks, everyone!
 
This is an ongoing issue and we've discussed it lots before, but it's such a pity there isn't a dedicated online vintage marketplace where you can trust the authenticity of the listings.

There are many places you can buy vintage online and they all have in common a lack of quality control.
 
Oh my goodness, I'm so so sick of seeing non-vintage cluttering up places like ebay..! It seems like, here in the UK anyway, people genuinely don't understand what the word applys to (and DOESN'T!), so they wack any old vaguely-retro-looking items under the catagory... Things like Primark skirts! Aagh!
I didn't realize it was a reportable offence to wrongly catagorize items.. Hmm.. Fun new hobby. :duh2:

Rant over!
 
The worst I've seen is the ASOS marketplace....'70s nylon dresses being sold as original and expensive '20s dresses. Just, just awful. Three dresses in the '40s section out of 20 were actually '40s, and that wasn't even sure, just because they were black and that was a good start - the photos were bad so you couldn't see details, the models in poses so you can't see silhouette, under condition they put "vintage" and under fabric they put "mixed".

Amanda, Buy VFG is always the best way, but I'm talking market places not individual webshops - VFG members trade in many online marketplaces but there also less skilled and knowledgeable people as well. So unfortunate.
 
I'm so so sick of seeing non-vintage cluttering up places like ebay..!
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Ditto that! It's rampant on etsy as well--a person could get carpal tunnel syndrome from just sitting and reporting miscategorized items. And I've found that many sellers know they're misdating and don't care, others don't know and don't care, and some don't know, do care, and make the effort to do it right once they know....
 
Nicole- I hadn't checked out the ASOS vintage section before, I've never seen so many 1950s jersey mini dresses! Amazing! I'm sick of crappy polyester above-knee dresses with elasticated waists being listed at '40s because they have bows at the neck. Come on people.
Does anyone here sell on the ASOS site? I find the photography rules a bit ridiculous, they only accept images on a model and in an urban or 'on the street' setting... Most quality vintage wouldn't be worn on the street! You don't see 50s ballgowns on the street! It manages to make most of the REAL vintage on there look really unprofessionally presented.
 
Wow, I didn't know about those photography rules - how ridiculous. It sounds like ASOS are more interested in how the vintage is presented than whether it is in fact vintage or provides relevant information.
 
I suppose it's ok for those sellers who make their own clothing in the kind of popular indie/street style, as many do on ASOS, who can take photographs of the collection all at once and reuse the images once sold.. But with vintage, where every item is different, it would mean arranging shooting new stock constantly! My best investment was an adjustable size dummy, she's always available and doesn't complain when I tug her around :)
 
I have a friend who has vintage ASOS boutique. They are clearly interested in a certain photography style, but I also think they are trying to get sellers to take good photos. They call it 'street style' but their criteria is actually 'outside' rather than necessarily urban/on the street, which makes good sense from a lighting point of view. I read their photography guidelines when I was thinking of applying for a boutique, and I thought they were quite helpful.

Shame they don't give such guidelines on dating and condition reports though!
 
It's nice to know the ASOS market has problems mentioned. As a consumer I will have to make purchase there more carefully. Thanks everyone!
 
I'm sick of crappy polyester above-knee dresses with elasticated waists being listed at '40s because they have bows at the neck. Come on people.
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Another ditto! There's a particular etsy seller who consistently lists 60s' poly knit dresses as 40s. I understand she's been advised personally of this, and I've reported her items to etsy, but, as usual, they do nothing. It appears that etsy will "take action" on a seller who's been reported if that seller doesn't generate big bucks for them--but sellers who misrepresent and misdate vintage items and those who pass off mass-produced Indian or Chinese goods as handmade, and who do a whopping big business on etsy, are left alone to do as they please.

Unfortunately, in the case of the 60s-as-40s example, many uneducated buyers don't know the difference, and this leads to "real" 40s' dresses being devalued in the market. Buyers get to thinking that it's easy to find loads of 1940s' dresses in fabulous condition, and paying $35 or $45 for them. So, why should they--in their minds--pay what "should" or "used" to be true market value for them? It's a very, very bad thing for vintage, both sellers and buyers alike.
 
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