help dating ruby glass sautoir-type necklace, please!

[doehearted]

i've finally gotten around to making a thread about the necklace i found in my bakelite find thread. i still haven't had much luck on finding anything about it, and i'm not really educated on glass jewelry. i seem to get really fuzzy on dating pieces between the teens through the 40s, and this piece seems to me to have the potential to fit in that category. it seems to have the look of some czech glass pieces that i saw on my hunt for information, but that tassel and other type of glass bead is kinda throwing me off. at this point, i would really appreciate if someone with a better eye could lend a hand!

the necklace is more of a blood/ruby red than a burgundy and is about 15'' in length. there appears to be one darker/black bead thrown in with the main length of the necklace that has the same cut and hardware as all the others. the tassel appears to be some type of an art glass with a rootbeer tone and almost glittery gold line.

close-up:

length:

the previous pictures were in awful lighting, so here's a more accurate representation of color:

 

[doehearted]

bumping because I'm still quite curious! any takers?

 

[Pinkcoke]

I can only say that I have had that beaded eyelet pin construction on a 1930s necklace before, given the length I'm inclined to think this might be early 1930s, perhaps late 20's. I am the least knowledgeable on jewellery here though so please wait for other opinions!

 

[Marzilli_Vintage]

I'm not surprised you get "fuzzy" dating things between the 'teens and 20's! The same and many similar versions of beads were popular throughout those years, so dating is often a matter of interpreting lengths, clasps, chain or stringing materials, other components, etc. Although we associate the flapper era with the extra long sautoir necklaces, they weren't appropriate for every occasion, and the way your necklace is made along with the tassel at the end makes me think it's from the 20's.

 

[Circa Vintage Clothing]

I've had similar ones that were '30s but I'm no jewellery expert.

 

[BonniesVintageClothesLine]

I do think 20s and whenever I see those gold foil beads I think of Italy, first, but I suppose this could be more likely Czech. I have such a hard time just dating from photographs....I'm a very hands on person with Jewelry. There are so many "clues" to dating pieces that don't present themselves well, even in the best photographs. It's wonderful to be able to actually see jewelry and then we often can give a better idea of dating, but of course, thats just not always possible. I have always loved this shade of red....especially when it's amber!

 

[doehearted]

oh my goodness thank you for all the responses! life really caught up to me with moving into college, so sorry for the delay!

I'm not surprised you get "fuzzy" dating things between the 'teens and 20's! The same and many similar versions of beads were popular throughout those years, so dating is often a matter of interpreting lengths, clasps, chain or stringing materials, other components, etc. Although we associate the flapper era with the extra long sautoir necklaces, they weren't appropriate for every occasion, and the way your necklace is made along with the tassel at the end makes me think it's from the 20's.

ah, well i always get worried i'm going to date something as early that ends up to be fairly modern, since i really only got into collecting pre-50s pieces this past year. i never considered the length as having a major component in dating, so i'm quite grateful for your reply! if my necklace was more of a modest length, then perhaps it could have been for only certain occasions, then?

I can only say that I have had that beaded eyelet pin construction on a 1930s necklace before, given the length I'm inclined to think this might be early 1930s, perhaps late 20's. I am the least knowledgeable on jewellery here though so please wait for other opinions!

that eyelet pin construction made me instantly more suspicious that it could be older, as well, so it looks like that time period might be starting to fit the bill.

I do think 20s and whenever I see those gold foil beads I think of Italy, first, but I suppose this could be more likely Czech. I have such a hard time just dating from photographs....I'm a very hands on person with Jewelry. There are so many "clues" to dating pieces that don't present themselves well, even in the best photographs. It's wonderful to be able to actually see jewelry and then we often can give a better idea of dating, but of course, thats just not always possible. I have always loved this shade of red....especially when it's amber!

yes! the mix of the beads made me interested in its origins, as well! when i handled it in the store, something made me want to give it a shot and make the purchase, but i have a hard time describing the qualities i was feeling, so i totally understand what you're getting at. and oh yes i absolutely love this deep red shade, too!

 

[Rue_de_la_Paix]

Hi,

I will be the odd man out as they say. It looks a lot like a necklace that has been made from vintage or antique rosary beads, with the blown glass Venice style bead added for a bit of bohemian glam. I also would not call a 15" long necklace a sautoir, at least to me that infers a very long necklace that goes well below the chest area.

Making necklaces out of old rosary beads is very popular now and I have seen dozens or more that look very much like the one you show us here. In any event you can find vintage and antique rosary beads that have the exact same beads and links as yours, selling online on Etsy, Ebay etc.

It is very pretty.

 

[Marzilli_Vintage]

For the record, Barbara, the reference to a sautoir:
"Although we associate the flapper era with the extra long sautoir necklaces, they weren't appropriate for every occasion"

 

[Rue_de_la_Paix]

Lynne,

I was referencing the comments of the original poster here, she called it a sautoir. I was not referring to your comment, of course!

 

[Metro Retro Vintage]

I will be the odd man out as they say. It looks a lot like a necklace that has been made from vintage or antique rosary beads, with the blown glass Venice style bead added for a bit of bohemian glam...

Make that two odd men out, as I agree that something seems off about it. That singular Venetian bead seems unfinished in its placement (no bead caps or separator beads). Does the bead appear to slide easily as if on a single length of wire?

What do the bottoms of the beads at the end of the fringe look like?