Help dating this button up

[Wayne Campbell]

Hey, guys. First post here. I just picked up this vintage button up, and I’m wondering if it’s from the 60’s? I’ve been collecting a lot of vintage button ups lately, and I feel that it’s older than 70’s.

 

[bycinbyhand]

I think it's 80s, very early. Landmark brand was sold in department stores.

 

[Wayne Campbell]

Did some more researching, and apparently half sizes (16-16 1/2) were introduced in the 1940’s and are pre 1970’s. The RN number on this does not fall within the 50’s range, so this must be 60’s.

 

[Rue_de_la_Paix]

Not sure where you got that mis-information, but new men's shirts still come with collar sizes marked in half sizes. It did not end in the 1970s.

 

[Wayne Campbell]

And I’m not sure why you have to be so obnoxious with your reply. I read it on sammydvintage.com. I found one of my 90’s button ups with a half size. Thanks anyways..

 

[Rue_de_la_Paix]

Dear Mr. Campbell,

There was nothing obnoxious intended in my reply, I was merely informing you that the information you read was incorrect. Incorrect information should be corrected and not let stand, as this is a Public Forum. Since this IS a Public forum, I will apologize. I was only trying to help you.

 

[bycinbyhand]

Did some more researching, and apparently half sizes (16-16 1/2) were introduced in the 1940’s and are pre 1970’s. The RN number on this does not fall within the 50’s range, so this must be 60’s.

RN # for dating is sometimes a little tricky... the company could've trademarked or registered and element of the design and THAT is the year of the RN. So one can assume it's nothing to date prior to the RN year.

But, this label is early 80s. I recall it being a brand popular in the department stores in the day. Good luck with it. : )

 

[Circa Vintage Clothing]

Just wanted to add that I've had a lot of mens shirts with that collar size in the '70s so it's not a hard and fast rule. Maybe it's a regional thing?

 

[Rue_de_la_Paix]

Just wanted to add that I've had a lot of mens shirts with that collar size in the '70s so it's not a hard and fast rule. Maybe it's a regional thing?

Nicole, I am not sure what you are referring to. What is a regional thing? What is not a hard and fast rule?

Also, to the gent who posted this thread, (probably adding flame to the fire here), but 1/2 sizes for men's shirt collars were not introduced in the 1940s, it goes back much much further.

 

[Circa Vintage Clothing]

Nicole, I am not sure what you are referring to. What is a regional thing? What is not a hard and fast rule?

Also, to the gent who posted this thread, (probably adding flame to the fire here), but 1/2 sizes for men's shirt collars were not introduced in the 1940s, it goes back much much further.

I was referring to his statement that a size like that indicates a pre'70s date. To quote: " apparently half sizes (16-16 1/2) were introduced in the 1940’s and are pre 1970’s."

My understanding is that a 16 1/2 collar size is a neck measurement and I've seen them in '70s, confirming your statement " It did not end in the 1970s."

Apologies for the confusion.

 

[The Vintage Merchant]

I found one of my 90’s button ups with a half size.

yes, half sizing is still a thing to this day. here is a link to Brooks Brothers, if you scroll down, you can see they still size with halves. unfortunately it's not the first time sammy d vintage has posted incorrect vintage information; we're glad you came by here for help! hope to see more of you and your vintage finds!