Help with older cotton items (mainly lingerie) please?

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I'm again out of my element with these older items, but I've put my best educated guess out there, and hope someone's greater expertise will set me straight.

Sheer dress, 1921ish?
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Teens-20s pants? (Cotton, entirely hand sewn, with embroidered initials, elastic at waist)
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20s teddy? (Two buttons on tab to connect front and back)
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Victorian chemise? (Looks like there is shot elastic around the sides at the waist)
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1890s pantaloons? (narrow fit, 23.5" outer leg length, shot elastic at waist)
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Early 1900s chemise/pants combination? (Wide legs with open crotch seam)
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Many thanks in advance!
 
Maggie.. RE: the camisole top teddy..I went right to the Underwear & Lingerie from the Women's Institute of Domestic Arts & Sciences sewing book published 1925. there on page 17. it almost confirms the design of the teddy referred to in the text as "chemise"MAKING THE BUTTONHOLES
FROM THE TEXT: -To complete the garment, prepare to make the buttonholes that are necessary to fasten the flap of the chemise. Mark the place for these on each side of the center front, about 2 inches apart, and then proceed to add reinforcement for the buttonholes. To stay the buttonholes prepare a strip of material 1-1/4 inches wide and 2-3/4 inches long..."
does this sound similar to the construction of your piece?
The last picture are 1920's camisole and step ins or drawers the longer pants of course are bloomers.
The beautiful white dress definitely 20's early.
 
Yes, that sounds like my teddy! Thank you for that confirmation!

So would the natural waistline and flaring legs of the camisole/step-ins be fine for the 1920s? I actually am a bit more confused still by the bloomers. They are relatively narrow at the hip, and what of that overlap (like men's underwear) in front? Why would a lady need that?
 
Those are called Envelope combinations and they were popular from about 1915 to the early 1920's. They would have been worn under the corset. I used to have a pair that fit me that I used to wear to re-enactment events and they were ever so comfy!

Lei
 
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"So would the natural waistline and flaring legs of the camisole/step-ins be fine for the 1920s? I actually am a bit more confused still by the bloomers. They are relatively narrow at the hip, and what of that overlap (like men's underwear) in front? Why would a lady need that?"

Are you sure that the elastic hasn't been added at a later date? Looking through the book I don't see any crossover.. I do see cutting for the fullness and of all things a pocket? For what? Not sure. I
But this text also discusses elastic. If you send me your direct email I can send you some scans of the text. You can see the pages for yourself.:icon_dante:
 
More for your Drawers

FROM THE 1920s-The New-Way Course in Fashionable Clothes-Making Bloomers and Drawers

"Sateen is an excellent material for bloomers. Batiste and cotton crepe are used a great deal, too. For drawers, muslin and nainsook are the most favored materials. But whatever material you use, you will have no trouble making well-fitting, attractive drawers and bloomer if you follow the ensuing step-by-step directions.

First, though, it is necessary that you obtain your body measures and compare them with the measurements of the pattern, altering the pattern to suit your particular requirements. This alteration differs in no way from the altering of the skirt pattern.

For making bloomers place the material and pattern together, following the construction guide. Make all construction marks and seam allowances.
The pattern indicates the place for reinforcement. Put in the reinforcements at this place, following the lines indicated.
French seam the inside of the legs. Be sure the legs are made in pairs and not both for one side.
Having completed these seams, you are now ready to match the seams in the crotch. Match also the construction marks and these seams, from the waistline in the back to the waistline in the front, and join, using a French seam. Finish the lower part of the legs with a ruffle and a casing for elastic, or simply with the casing.
Bias casing should be used if the bloomers are ruffle-finished. The bias facing should be used to finish the ruffle. If there is no ruffle, just a hem may be used for the casing, or one may use a bias facing.
A bias facing should also be added around the top, being wide enough to admit at least one-half inch of elastic.
If a placket is desired, it should be put in before the top is finished either at the side or at the back, and the casing made continuous from the placket edges. To fasten, place buttons and buttonholes on the ends of the casing.
Drawers

The making of drawers and bloomers is very much alike, but the routine of the work will be given for both, making sure that you will have no trouble with either.

Prepare the material and pattern in exactly the way taught for other undergarments.
Place the pattern on the material in the most economical way, that is, so the least possible amount of cloth is wasted.
Mark all construction marks.
For closed drawers there will be plackets to finish on each hip. These should be bound or continuous plackets.
After making the plackets join the seams on the inside of the legs using a French seam. (Be sure the legs are made in pairs.)
After these are seamed up, finish the bottom of the legs in any way desired. This may be a hem and lace, or it may be lace and insertion; in fact any finish that will give a smooth flat appearance, for today, with the vogue for narrow skirts the underwear must be very flat. One has the choice of a straight line at the knee of a scalloped line or slashes at the side, and the corners may be left square or rounded.
Match the construction marks at the front and back and the seams at the crotch and French seam the legs together.
The top of both front and back sections are to be put on belts which are really sewed on extension facings. The belt should not be too snug. The front section of the belt is somewhat longer than the back section, this is made longer so that the front of the garment will be smooth and flat and also to allow the front placket to extend beneath the placket at the back. The ends of the belt should lap just the width of the placket at each side, and a button and buttonhole finishes the end of each belt, the buttonholes to be worked on the back belt.
If the drawers are the open type the bias edges from the center front to the center back of each leg will be faced with a sewed on bias facing. At the front these edges will be lapped just their width and stitched together for about six inches below the belt. The top will then be put in a belt which is really a sewed on extension facing, the opening being at the back where the belt will lap enough to insure the tight closing of the drawers at the back, or the belt may be opened at the center of the front, the drawers lapped the necessary amount at the back and the front lapped and closed at the front using small buttons and buttonholes to fasten."
 
Thank you for your continuing help! Lei, I'm assuming the envelope combinations refers to the hybrid model that I show last?

The worn out elastic looks old to me in the pants' waistband, and there had to be something gathering up the waist. As it is the measurements are 33" waist, 38" hip. Thank you for typing out all that text for my edification...after reading it through twice I think I get it all. BTW, the ruffles on mine seem to be silk georgette.
 
I Just clicked and copied

The elastic was mentioned in the instructions..it's just that I seemed to have seen some construction information regarding that overlap. That's why I wanted to know if you want me to send the scanned pages to you.
~dd
 
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