help with vintage fashion project!

eleanor

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Hello fellow vintage fashion lovers!
I am a final year student at the london college of fashion, doing a research project on the popularity of vintage clothes. i'm looking for help from all you experts out there on the following topics:

a)how do you define 'vintage'?

b) why do you believe vintage fashion is increasing in popularity?

c) what motivates people to buy vintage clothes? (i need as many reasons as you can think of!)

if you have the time i'd love to hear your views!

cheers
Ellie King in foggy london
 
Hi Ellie, I'm also in foggy London! Nice to see an LCF person on here, I know a few from the costume world.

a) The lines are so blurred now, with items just one season old often being referred to as vintage. I personally view something as vintage if it somehow encapsulates an era, or even a small aspect of an era. An old dress is an old dress, but what makes it vintage to me personally is that it should feel 'of its time' and have some meaning and/or history. Like the dictionary says, "the class of a dated object with reference to era of production or use".

b) Because 'fashion' is pretty much dead these days. Wearability is rarely taken into consideration, and neither is the variety of shapes and looks of most people in the world. With vintage, you can find the era to which you are best suited and not fear the bi-annual 'charcoal is the new black' and size zero debates. You don't have to be a slave to what the shops are stocking if you know you can find what you want from vintage.

c) Freedom of choice, and wide range of choice. Quality construction and high end style, usually without the modern high end price tag. Nostalgia for an era you feel an affinity to. Many people also like the idea that it is also a financial investment, it may increase in value but you can enjoy wearing it in the meantime.

I hope you don't mind, I was sufficiently inspired enough to write all that - I think I'll post it on my blog too if that's ok? It got me thinking!

Liz
 
a) I am an old fogey on this one. I used to say at least 25 years old, but I think I am going to hold at pre 1970.

b) People respond to the great design, better quality and wearbility. Plus the value for the price can still be remarkably good.

c)Variety, value, fit,range of styles, the unique design of many pieces. And the compliments the wearer gets, of course

Hollis
 
Ellie,

Viviene here from rural Pennsylvania. I'd love to answer these questions.

a)how do you define 'vintage'?

My definition of vintage is anything 1980s or earlier that encompasses new shapes and styles or improvements on previous eras. It also has to have wonderful attention to detail and flawless construction.

b) why do you believe vintage fashion is increasing in popularity?

I believe it is increasing in popularity because people are tired of the slipshod construction of clothing manufactured today. Vintage clothing was made to last. It was also made in a wonderful variety of fabrics. There were also many talented home seamstresses who custom crafted their own clothing. Again attention to detail in construction and style makes vintage clothing a better choice than modern clothing.

c) what motivates people to buy vintage clothes? (i need as many reasons as you can think of!)

Style, quality and a return to a time when dressing to accentuate a woman's curves was not only allowed but encouraged. I really dislike the way that women show it all in the way they dress. Where is the mystery in that?
 
Hi Ellie:

I have been haunting vintage clothing resale outlets since 1977 and have been a dealer, off and on since that time.

I personally define vintage to being anything of the obvious past style, ie: out of fashion or not with trends. Of course that has been more difficult to define the past 10-15 years because fashion has been hugely influenced by revivals of recent styles. It used to be that there was only one or two styles of heels and one or two styles of toes in shoes. Sleeves would be either tight or full, and hemlines were all at the same length. This has gradually broken down since the 1950s and excelerated during the 1980s and 1990s so that now there really are no rules about hem length or sleeve styles, and you can buy every type of shoe heel or toe shape at the same time. This has opened wide the possibility of wearing vintage more fashionably than used to be the case. I remember in the early 70s if the hems on your pants were not exactly correct, you were embarrassed to leave the house. If you wore something that was too obviously last year's style, you no longer put it on your back. So the definition of vintage has come to mean anything second hand now, but I still tend to feel it is something that has completed its original fashionable cycle and is now being seen as old, or from the last time the style was around. So I don't define vintage by any specific year, just as an example of the last time it was haute mode.

I don't know if I do believe that vintage fashion is increasing in popularity. I think it is more available now than ever before, but only because of online websites and auction sites. There are probably fewer vintage clothing stores in Toronto than there were in the 1980s and I bet there are fewer vintage stores in London than there were in the 1960s. What is making vintage seemingly more popular now is the celebrity and designer status it now has. Just 10 years ago you could buy a Dior for $60.00 or a Claire McCardell for $10.00 -- no problem. However, with the designer label status of the 1990s and 2000s and with museums mounting designer-oriented exhibitions, the awareness of the designer label has caused those items to skyrocket in value. I bought about 20 Ceil Chapman dresses from a picker back in about 1990 for $10.00 a piece and sold them for $25.00 a piece to a dealer -- A Ceil Chapman dress was just a nice silk cocktail dress in those days. I remember selling a Chanel double C logo purse at a vintage clothing sale in 1997 for $50.00 and it sold only on the second day of the sale and the buyer tried talking me down in price!

Now, with Julia Roberts, or Nicole Kidman, or Rene Zellweger being photographed in 'vintage' (sometimes only 5 years old) clothes on the red carpet, the status for wearing vintage has increased. The word 'vintage' probably only appeared in fashion magazines like Vogue no more than 5 years ago. Suddenly it seems to be the chicest thing you can wear. Yet, I haven't seen a marked increase in sale for vintage across the board, only trendy items, or designer items have really expanded in price in the last decade. A Victorian dress is pretty much the same price now as it was 10 - 15 years ago. With the exception of truly rare and important garments, which collectors and museums vie for.

SO I think there has been a trend for vintage recently but this has also happened before. In the late 1970s white cotton lace insert Edwardian dresses were regularly priced at $150 - $300 dollars, more than they sell for now. In the early 1980s (courtesy of Cyndi Lauper) 1950s crinolines were selling for $50 - $75 a piece, about the same price as now. SO trends in vintage come and go and not everything keeps going up in price. A dealer I know was just lamenting that she wished she had sold all her Pucci over the last three years when it was getting better prices than it is now. Vintage has become a commodity that changes with the times and its value and desire goes up and down.

As for motivation, I do think that celebrity plays a big role in why a lot of people buy vintage these days. Also, elitism. If you own something that is essentially unique and you get compliments on it, you know that nobody else will be able to go out and buy the same thing. That makes the wearer powerful and seem clever and creative. Also, price is relevant. If you can buy something for cheap that costs much more new, your money goes further. There is a fashionable snear towards those who only rely on Top Shop or the Gap to buy their fashion clothes. Its too easy and unimaginative to go into one shop and buy an entire wardrobe. In fact I think if a woman buys something exactly as it is shown on a mannequin in the store window, or a model on the runway, it shows a deperate lack of creativity and unoriginality. However, by buying something new and mixing it with something unique and vintage, you create a look that is your own and can not be copied. However, I do think that lack of wearability does deter a lot of women from buying vintage. I know many women who bought something off of eBay, got it, and were disappointed and prefer to spend their money on brand new, clean, perfect garments rather than a crap shoot on a dress that might fall apart or already is falling apart. So I do think there are reasons people don't buy vintage as much as there are reasons to wear vintage.
 
Jonathan, you're so eloquent and well-spoken(written). Reading your words is like listening to good music! thank you!!

and by the way, Ellie, i think he has it really summed up quite perfectly! Good luck w/your project!!
 
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