info on Katz & Barandes label + help dating

[Jennifer Kietzman]

I've Googled for info on the Katz & Barandes label but come up empty. Does anyone have any info on the label? Also, while I'm assuming the coat dates from the 40s, the label looks older to me, and I was wondering what your thoughts/impressions are on the matter

. Many thanks in advance for your assistance!

 

[Vinclothes]

Your fine coat looks very 1940's to me, the color, the hand top stitching, the hand stitched buttons, the shoulder pads, the karakul pointed collar, The crepe backed satin lining, etc. I swear my mother wore one almost like it.
Marian

 

[lkranieri]

THIS link doesn't tell us anything about Katz & Barandes, other than they were in business at least in 1939.

(Edited to add: This was apparently related to the Wool Products Labeling Act of 1939)

 

[lkranieri]

Katz & Barandes appears in the 1943 and 1948 NYC directories, doing business at 19 Division St. in Manhattan and their business is recorded as 'clks' (cloaks) -- and which address is probably the reason for the '19' in the label.

 

[lkranieri]

Irving Barandes was born in Russia in 1901 and became a naturalized citizen of the US in 1928. In the 1930 and 1940 censuses his occupation was recorded as salesman of ladies coats/cloaks. He died in 1991 and is buried in FL.

 

[lkranieri]

I have not yet found a confirmation as to which Katz is the Katz & Barandes Katz, but in the 1940 US census for Manhattan, the occupation of Sidney M. Katz, born in 1910 in Russia, was recorded as "Salesman" of "Ladies coats."

 

[lkranieri]

I finally found the 1939 letter from Katz & Barandes (referenced in my first post)--and note that it is signed "B. Katz" I believe I also saw something that suggested a Ben Katz might be in the ladies coat industry, too, so I will look for information about him, too.

 

[lkranieri]

In the 1940 US census for Manhattan a 43 year old Ben Katz, born in 1910 in Russia, listed his occupation as "Operator" of a cloak factory, so that may be our Katz...and Sidney Katz could very well be related.

 

[Jennifer Kietzman]

In the 1940 US census for Manhattan a 43 year old Ben Katz, born in 1910 in Russia, listed his occupation as "Operator" of a cloak factory, so that may be our Katz...and Sidney Katz could very well be related.

My gosh, what an amazing wealth of information! I'm just reading it all now. Just out of curiosity, regarding the "1943 ad 1948 NYC directories" you reference, as well as the census info, is all of this available online? And I wasn't aware of the Wool Products Labeling Act of 1939, the existence of which is really interesting to me. I have so much to learn! I'm so grateful!

 

[Jennifer Kietzman]

Your fine coat looks very 1940's to me, the color, the hand top stitching, the hand stitched buttons, the shoulder pads, the karakul pointed collar, The crepe backed satin lining, etc. I swear my mother wore one almost like it.
Marian

Thanks so much! You have a wonderful eye for detail. I wish I had better fabric knowledge - to me it's all satin. I would not have known it was lined in crepe backed satin in particular. Again, many thanks!

 

[lkranieri]

Just out of curiosity, regarding the "1943 ad 1948 NYC directories" you reference, as well as the census info, is all of this available online?!

Jennifer, HERE is the link to the 1940 directory/phone book and I am trying to remember where I found the others. I may have found one on Ancestry and if I can recreate my steps for the other(s) I will post that here.