Is this satin crepe?

[DaisyandStella]

Hi!
I have a gorgeous dress I believe late 1930s or very early 1940s with a puckered silky satin surface and puckered back that isn't as silky as the outside. Both sides of puckering is very distinct. Crepe back satin seems right although the puckering is more pronounced in this dress.

Thoughts?

 

[bycinbyhand]

Maybe a crepe plisse? Hard to tell with the photos.

 

[DaisyandStella]

Maybe a crepe plisse? Hard to tell with the photos.

It's definitely more pronounced puckering similar to plisse - and silk or silk satin.

 

[plousia]

Ooh, I would love to see the whole dress.

 

[DaisyandStella]

Ooh, I would love to see the whole dress.

 

[plousia]

Gorgeous!

 

[denisebrain]

Do you have a photo of the reverse? And I second that Gorgeous from @plousia!

 

[DaisyandStella]

Do you have a photo of the reverse? And I second that Gorgeous from @plousia!

I do Maggie - also thinking it was shortened due to the interlock machine stitching?

 

[denisebrain]

I believe it is silk cloqué.

Does this seem similar?

https://www.cuttinglinedesigns.com/shop/Fabric/Ends-of-BoltsSpecials/p/Silk-cloque-EB-01200-x60888661.htm

I found this discussion of serging/overlocking https://forums.vintagefashionguild.org/threads/overlocking-serging.34344/

 

[DaisyandStella]

I believe it is silk cloqué.

Does this seem similar?
Ooh yes!! Thank you! And the interlocking info is great! Thank you!!

https://www.cuttinglinedesigns.com/shop/Fabric/Ends-of-BoltsSpecials/p/Silk-cloque-EB-01200-x60888661.htm

I found this discussion of serging/overlocking https://forums.vintagefashionguild.org/threads/overlocking-serging.34344/

 

[MagsRags]

Would silk cloque be the same or different than hammered satin?

 

[denisebrain]

The difference between hammered satin and cloqué could be nothing depending on one's definition of cloqué—sometimes the texture is made in the weave, sometimes it is an emboss (as in hammered). To me, Brooke's photo of the fabric reverse looks like a weave pattern instead of the reverse of an emboss.

 

[plousia]

Just want to say that thanks to this thread I was able to identify that a 1940s (I believe) waistcoat I just found (in the identical colour, to boot) is probably silk cloqué. However, the non-shiny side is on the outside, except for the lapels, interestingly.

 

[denisebrain]

I would love to see that if you have a pic!

 

[plousia]

Indeedy! Your wish is my command.

Corrections on dating if I'm wrong also welcome...I am trying to date things as much as possible by myself rather than bothering the forum, but if I'm wrong I want to know!

Edit: whoops I think I set the white balance a bit too cold on that shot, it's really a warmer purple. Also, it has rhinestone-centre buttons which you can't see well in the photo.