Label Help!! vintage knock off??

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eliz_glam

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I am hoping someone out there can help. I recently bought a vintage Pierre Cardin piece. It is most definitely vintage, the label is also most definitely old and vintage. However, the label reads "reproduction of Pierre Cardin - Modes Paris". I am unsure what that means, can anyone out there help? I hope!!

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balmainbluevelvethat08.jpg Ruth, I have several hats that are labeled similarly....one is a Pierre Balmain. It is my understanding that high end department store milliners were allowed to legally obtain the right to copy these original designs. I would think it would be the same with clothing items. I don't believe it is a "knock off" in the bad sense of the word, but an acceptable reproduction of an original design. View attachment 19989View attachment 19989balmainbluevelvethat01.jpg
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Yes, that's what I thought too.

The only question is whether Pierre Cardin did license people to copy his designs as reproductions in this way, which I don't know - I know he licensed his name, but I thought that didn't necessarily include the words 'Reproduction of'. But presumably no-one would fake this kind of label - if they were going to do a knock-off, they wouldn't put Reproduction of on the label, so it I think it probably was licensed in some way

We have similar kinds of labels in our label resource, under Chanel and Schiaparelli for instance, the Schiaparelli saying Authorised Reproduction, and the Chanel ones saying Adaptation.

Can we see the whole garment? Are their any other labels anywhere?
 
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Thank you SO much Ruth for your help!! I did check the resource label here and I did not see anything like this. I was thinking the same about the knock offs...why would they blatantly print "reproduction of.." There are no labels anywhere else, I will definitely check the Chanel label resource.

This is a very odd label!! The garment is a 2 piece mod suit, I am thinking late 60's early 70's. A bit much to wear together haha, but great as separates. The bottoms are wide leg draped pants. (sorry about the bad pic)
 
If I had to pick one designer with more confusing labels than anyone else it would be Pierre Cardin. He is doing so many lines at the same time and authorizing copies etc. that I have given up trying to piece together which labels mean what and they were produced. I am sure this is an authorized copy of a Pierre Cardin dress - by 1970 Cardin was selling alarm clocks, men's shirts, bed sheets...
 
Bonnies vintage - thank you very much for your label and pic post. I'm such a newbie here and have no idea how everything works yet lol, I just saw your ever s helpful comment now. Your response makes sense to me, I can't think of anything else it could be. I have never seen such a label before.. so thank you very much for your help, and as you said... it wouldn't mean knock off like there is today (the mass produced unauthorized types)
 
So one more question, in listing this piece in an online vintage shop, would one list this as Pierre Cardin or a Pierre Cardin reproduction? It gets a little confusing. I recently opened a ruby lane shop :)
 
I don't believe it is a "knock off" in the bad sense of the word, but an acceptable reproduction of an original design.
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Well said Bonnie and agree; I've had a few of these labels myself.

How about "styled by" Pierre Cardin in the item title but add authorized copy to the description with a brief description of what that is and include the label shot?
 
eliz_glam said:
Bonnies vintage - thank you very much for your label and pic post. I'm such a newbie here and have no idea how everything works yet lol, I just saw your ever s helpful comment now. Your response makes sense to me, I can't think of anything else it could be. I have never seen such a label before.. so thank you very much for your help, and as you said... it wouldn't mean knock off like there is today (the mass produced unauthorized types)
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I'm new, too....I've been a member for a while, but not an active one! I'm trying to do better about that....and, enjoying every minute of it! It's so nice to have such a wonderful resource at our fingertips, literally! VFG is simply marvelous!
 
eliz_glam said:
View attachment 20006 Thank you SO much Ruth for your help!! I did check the resource label here and I did not see anything like this. I was thinking the same about the knock offs...why would they blatantly print "reproduction of.." There are no labels anywhere else, I will definitely check the Chanel label resource.

This is a very odd label!! The garment is a 2 piece mod suit, I am thinking late 60's early 70's. A bit much to wear together haha, but great as separates. The bottoms are wide leg draped pants. (sorry about the bad pic)
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Chic!
 
Thank you everyone for your help, and it DID help A LOT!! It is a fabulous piece (well 2 pieces lol). Horrible picture, it is much prettier live lol. Anyhow I am thinking it is exactly what everyone said... an authorized reproduction and I will list as such. You have been an incredible help, and I have to agree the Vintage Fashion Guild is a fantastic resource, I was looking for days online trying to discover anything about the label and found nothing... so thank you again!!
 
Isn't Cardin the one who lost his Haute Couture standing back in the 1970s, after licensing his name to J.C. Penny? Like Jonathan said, and I recall seeing his name on rather cheap looking goods everyplace, polyester scarves, wool felt hats, vinyl wallets, etc. Today it is a more common place and acceptable thing to stick a designer name on inexpensive goods in middle class department stores, but he was the first one that I noticed doing it (back when I paid attention to labels and such in clothing) and he suffered for it.

I have never come across a Cardin hat (earlier) that I liked or that was well made, but I am still looking for one to fill in a gap in my collection.
 
Hi
Hope you don't mind me jumping on your thread, I cant seem to see how to make a new thread of my own and saw your topic, suited me!
...I have just bought an absolutely beautiful Blanes dress, which I really love, but the label confuses me a bit. The fabric, cut, zip and ageing etc of the piece indicate that the dress is genuine vintage, but the label is different from the two Blanes labels I have seen in the past (the same two listed in the VFG label resource). This label is cream, with BLANES written in red lettering and 'Size D' written in underneath, in smaller lettering. The label is hand stitched in with red thread. As I say I have never seen this type of Blanes label before and neither have I seen a Blanes garment with that type of sizing in it either.
Can anyone help? I am wondering if this may be an earlier piece of Blanes (pieces I have obtained in the past have all be late 1950s or 1960s), or if this is simply not a BLANES dress?
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Becky
 
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