Lots of Qs on a 40s(?) Dutch man's long leather coat

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Lots of Qs on a 40s(?) Dutch man\'s long leather coat

I've been getting so much great help lately, and here I am again, I hope I'm not asking too much! :BAGUSE: Excuse the lengthy post and lots of pics

I have been asked to sell this for a friend, and I'd appreciate some help and advice. I have a ton of questions. All he knows is that he bought it in London in the 1970s.

First off he's sure it's 1940s, and I'm inclined to agree, but be glad of your opinions.

Second, it's in pretty bad shape. I imagine in good condition it might be quite saleable, but it's missing the buttons, the lining is torn, and it's heavily scuffed at the edges. I'm not inclined to try and restore it, and wondering whether it's worth trying to sell (on ebay).

But thirdly and mostly importantly, I'd be glad of some input on what kind of garment this is. Has anyone seen anything like it before?

It looks almost military, like (eek) a German Officer coat, but the label implies something else. The Dutch on the label translates as 'Leather clothing' then 'Work Clothing' (or 'Business Clothing') then 'The Workman' or 'The Laborer'. And of course there's a picture of a factory. So perhaps it's been made by a manufacturer that makes industrial work clothes? I've had no luck researching the address.

Would this be from after World War II? Holland was occupied by Germany from 1940 to the end of the War in 1945. I imagine they weren't manufacturing during the war, unless they were producing work clothing under German occupation.

It weighs an absolute ton. Would it be horsehide, rather than ordinary leather?

There's a lot detailed stuff inside, like knitted cuffs sewn into the sleeve, and leg straps (I think) for you to strap the bottom of the coat to your legs as you walk?

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Thanks for any input!

Ruth
 
hello Ruth,
Did a quick search, and to my surprise the company "De Werkman" still exists, and on the same address in the Hague as on the label. It currently sells casual and work clothing.
Just a guess, but could this coat be for motor-cyclists?
:scratchchin:
Diane
 
Originally posted by OhMyVintage
Just a guess, but could this coat be for motor-cyclists?
:scratchchin:
Diane

Could be a good one, Uncle George! sorry not makeing much sense Diane just reminded me of a photo I seen of a relative wearing something like this on his motor cycle looking very odd.
 
I am inclined to think a motor cycle or driving coat as well. The leg straps would keep the coat from blowing up over your head I guess!

Not sure of age but I think it has a very kind of steam punk quality about it.
 
What colour is the coat? Leather trench coats were part of the Dutch army's uniform post WW2 - from the 1950's - but I think they weren't black but olive? Military uniforms is a huge research area and you'll probably find the answer - eventually. The knitted cuff makes me think it is later than 1940's. Thousands of people from Holland were sent to Germany to work in factories during the Occupation so this company may not have been operational but you have a good link to follow up on. Could also possibly be part of a police uniform - motor-cycle or horse divisions.

In Britain leather trench style coats were worn during WW1 for flying and became popular as driving coats and I believe they were in shades of tan and not black.
 
It's actually more-or-less black now, but it might have been dark green, and got darker. The leather is a bit green inside the pockets. The lining is green. I will look again in daylight tomorrow.

I've been trying to find out about De Werkman company but everything's in Dutch!
 
Now I've looked again in daylight I think this coat was originally dark green, perhaps olive. All the leather inside has a greenish hue, here's a pic of an inside pocket, not sure how well the colour comes across.

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Thanks vertugarde. I now wonder if it is a post-WW2 Dutch military coat. I have emailed De Werkman company, but we'll see if they respond. Surely a military coat wouldn't have this label though? I am searching for any other markings but can't find anything, yet.

Ruth
 
This coat has got me intrigued now too,
it actually reminds me a lot of a coat my grandfather used to have, for riding his Solex, a powered bicycle. They were hugely popular in the fifties and sixties, at least in the Netherlands.
I think if this coat was military, it should have something to attach the shoulder marks onto?

a picture of a nostalgic Solex tour that one can book for bachelor-parties etc:

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Originally posted by GoldenAge
Surely a military coat wouldn't have this label though? I am searching for any other markings but can't find anything, yet.

Ruth

Good point, if post war they could be going for both markets with one coat military /gents added label could be one way of saying it's not been made of militry etc. but really it was the same coat.
 
I 've been thinking in the same direction too - I once had an Australian oilskin coat, they have these leg straps too - for riding (but of course a horse in this case...).

Somehow I see this more on a motorcycle than a Solex - looks more dashing *lol*. By the way - we call them Velo-Solex in Switzerland - they were very popular here too.

Karin
 
Thanks for all your thoughts. I'm going to try and sell it as 'steampunk motorcycle coat' and say something about military styling though probably not actual military. I've heard nothing back from de Werkman yet, though it's only Monday. Anyone else have thoughts on dating?
 
Seeking help on date

I'm part of a vintage leather forum so I posted you questions and pictures to them to that forum. I'll post here as soon as they respond. Whoo knows it might generate some further interest in your auction.:excited:
 
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