Both are newer, I would say mid-late 80s on the bottom. The top is a bit more puzzling, since it's the classic column gown. I would venture a guess of post 75, though. Not seeing construction/seams/labeling/fiber content on them really does make it harder to date.
I'm going to go late '60s on the column dress and perhaps even more modern for the second: I loved that style when I was going through my gothy phase so I'll put it as either '80s or '90s. Is the velvet stretch?
I'm seeing late 60's on that first dress too,I love the criss cross ribbons on the bodice. And I always associate crushed velvet with the 90's, as I remembering my dad having a couple of terrible crushed velvet shirts then. Your dress is great though! I think it would do very well for a 20’s party, I see flapper!
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