Two Women with Different tastes

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amandainvermont

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This is taken from AN ARTICLE about Fashion Week in London, and it includes a live interview with Dita Von Teese. You can probably immediately guess who the other gal is - Lady Gaga. I saw an episode of 'Top Chef Masters' with Dita and she was brilliant - made the host, Curtis, very nervous and stirred up all the male chefs, even those who don't like girls.

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Dita has true style, Gaga has whatever fashion she feels is of the moment or has shock value. I heard that Gaga is under a lot of heat from some of her (now former) fans who were upset she wore so much fur.

Go Dita go! She really wears vintage with panache.
 
Gaga is a performance artist: endlessly creative. She probably has lists of outfits that will never even see fruition!

Dita, meanwhile is one of the best dressed people on the planet - she always looks amazing, and perfectly turned out. She has great posture and attitude.

They're both inspiring in different ways.
 
Dita is a stunning woman and the kind of person who young ladies should be emulating.
She is reserved, polite and knows how to conduct herself, which is why I think people are intimidated by her.
 
Rue_de_la_Paix said:
Dita has true style, Gaga has whatever fashion she feels is of the moment or has shock value. I heard that Gaga is under a lot of heat from some of her (now former) fans who were upset she wore so much fur.

Go Dita go! She really wears vintage with panache.
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I think both are style icons. Dita is probably responsible for much of the return to more glamorous period style in many ways; from interest in period lingerie/hosiery/corsetry to burlesque and to full on forties looks.

Lady Gaga is always going to attract controversy - but true artists always do. Madonna for example before her. But it's good that she has brought Thierry Mugler to the attention of a new generation for starters. But I don't think it is written anwayhere in stone one has to be slavish to a vintage look. So it's okay with me she mixes it up. I do myself.

As for the turnaround on fur that's a credit to her too. For every fan she alienates she will win one over for her stance. As a professional geographer with concerns about human impact on environment I have seen what the anti-fur movement has done to small rural and indigenous economies/communities in the arctic that protect habitats for animals; so am very pro fur. I have also seen what mass produced disposable synthetic clothing made from petro chemicals does to the environment: that is something that really does have to change: it isn't sustainable and is wasteful. By contrast fur is infinitely renewable as a resource; and has a long life and is recyclable but is eventually bio-degradable unlike landfill bound synthetics. Dita wears fur too of course.

I enjoy seeing what both wear. I don't always like what they wear aesthetically but they certainly should be praised for their individual style and glamour in a pretty dour time fashion wise. :)
 
That's a interesting point you make Eliza C about Real Fur, you say your are pro fur, do you restrict yourself to wearing vintage fur or would you consider wearing more recent fur?

Also I cannot help think about all the pairs of nylon tight and stocking which end up in land fill, apart from the oil used to make them, and wonder if silk or Rayon which is a natural fibre would be better, of Course silk is still used in hosiery but is expensive but that is only becuse of the low production and in a few years could see that been fixed.

Dita image has somewhat changed recently , becuse on one forum i started a topic about Dita a few years ago and it got removed in a few seconda the reason was becuse they do not " talk about strippers" a few years on and the same forum has a long thread running about Dita and what she wear.
 
Well I never throw a stocking away Pauline! I sometimes get requests for them from fans I built up while modelling who buy my photos so I just keep them in a drawer. So that is 5 years worth and they wouldn't even half fill a small carrier bag even if I hadn't given some of them away! Plus I repair them when I can and tend to buy Agent Provocateur because they are good quality and last longer. Some I have worn dozens and dozens of times over years without laddering.
Hosiery that is well and truly knackered I hope everyone does the same as me and uses them for making sachets of fragrant moth deterring smellies for the wardobe; for cleaning shoes and dusting, and tights even continuing to wear under trousers in cold climates.

Yes I wear new fur as well as vintage. The fox hat I am wearing in the photo (in a USAF Hercules which lands on skis!) was given to me by a friend just prior to a scientific expedition to Greenland this summer as I was a month in sub zero temperatures at a remote research station. She bought it in Siberia and it is the produce of a Siberian indigenous people. There are over 300 tribes in Siberia alone who rely on such trade. Their lifestyle keeps the wilderness there as it always was and their reindeer herding and fur trade are their only livelihood. As a result areas such as the taiga are haven for many species such as the Tiger (which is not hunted for fur by these tribes and they consider it sacred) wolves, bears etc. So I am proud to wear such fur. In Greenland I couldn't quite afford sealskin boots which I wanted which are the produce of the Inuit and expempt from EU ban. But maybe next time. I have reindeer and fox pelts from the Saami from previous arctic trips; and also nutria, opossum and beaver fur as well as alpaca and leather produce from other trips around the world from indigenous peoples. The meat from these animals contrary to popular belief is also consumed so ethically many furs are no different to leather. I have eaten most of the meats from them - from seal to reindeer to of course rabbit. Beaver is also eaten by the Cree who rely on it for income and again this lifestyle protects the vast wilderness of their territories in Canada. I'd have no issue with furs from sources such as SAGA which have high standards of welfare too: though on a student income if I get any they are likely to be vintage!!

Yes it's funny how attitudes change - not just to things like fur but also as you suggest to stripping. Burlesque is now seen as a fine art and very sophisticated supper scene in London. It is also seen as empowering to women rather than exploitative. Interesting. I like burlesque when it is done well. I am a fan of Immodesty Blaize and have seen her perform several times too.
So kudos imho to both Dita and Lady Gaga for wearing furs and confronting attitudes of those who see women as bimbos because they may dress in a way some may see as provocative.
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To Amanda who started this thread:
Recycled hosiery is great for tying up plants like Tomatoes.

I think of Bette Midler and Cher whenever I see Gaga or Madonna.

Dita is beautiful.
 
I'm sure Gaga is exhausted and I also have to wonder if Dita is as well. Dita dresses so beautifully and pretty much always to the 9's, but I have to wonder if she ever just wants to put on a pair of sweat pants and run to the store, LOL! If I had to get dressed up to go anywhere and everywhere I think I might just go insane.

As far as young ladies emulating her...I would love for my niece to emulate her fashion style, but her choice of professions, not so much.
 
I have lost track of the fur/no fur debate, it has been raging since the early 1970s when Greenpeace first showed pictures of baby seals being clubbed. It seems to be out of fashion, then its back, then its out, then its back... wake me up when the fashion world comes to a conclusion.

As for Dita - I have heard from people who knew her before she was famous, that she... is... er.... not the easiest person to get along with. Her grooming and presentation is impeccable, but the kind of self-obsession that always has her looking her best has side effects.
 
Jonathan said:
I have lost track of the fur/no fur debate, it has been raging since the early 1970s when Greenpeace first showed pictures of baby seals being clubbed. It seems to be out of fashion, then its back, then its out, then its back... wake me up when the fashion world comes to a conclusion.

As for Dita - I have heard from people who knew her before she was famous, that she... is... er.... not the easiest person to get along with. Her grooming and presentation is impeccable, but the kind of self-obsession that always has her looking her best has side effects.
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Hi Jonathan. That would be the Greenpeace action they apologised to the Inuit for. However; certain people namely the US government followed the con: the Artek film that was proved fraudulent. To me that is an apalling injustice from a nation that pretends to stand for justice and until they change that policy it will remain so. A 1964 movie proved a fraud still dictates US law on sealskin.

Another style icon in modern times to me is the Inuit folk rock singer Lucie Idlout. You may find it intersting why she insists on wearing sealskin on stage:
http://dancooper.tv/fashionfinds_1999/july_new_dating_system/pages/lucie_idlout_2.htm

The fashion world may not have come to a conclusion but those whose job it is to protect the environment have actually come down on the opposite side to what some may have expected. Firmly. The words 'sustainable use of biological through traditional methods and practices' is going to have to be explained to the public at some point. I expect those engaged in appreciation of vintage fashion already to undertand a little of it: it is essentially about conservation of something beautiful rather than chuck it in the landfill modern fashion or destruction of habitat for so called 'alternatives'. What would the jaguar who has survived ten millenia of hunting for his prized fur only to be scuppered by ten years of soya say if he could speak? You can use animals but you can't destroy their habitat for alternatives masquerading as 'ethical'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3622108.stm

10 000 years of hunting seal by the Inuit and there are still 6 million of Harp off the coast of Greenland. We in the UK cannot boast 1% of that yet we do not hunt them. Something is very, very wrong. Eventually the fashion world will have the guts to recognise what geniune Conservationists already do...

Also - it is very easy to put women down for being obesessed with fashion - but sometimes it takes a little consideration of why and recognition of those who want to change it. Dita is one of those - if she is difficult - good - the days of us being just a bit of fluff are over! No excuse for diva behaviour though. Grace and manners are also part of the vintage age we should value! xx
 
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