Utility C11 Label

LadyCherry

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Hi, I *think* I saw a post on here regarding an item with a utility label that had a double 1 instead of the CC41, but I can't find it now!

I am reading a book about forties fashion and it does refer to this label being made post 1944 for clothes that were higher end. However the author doesn't have any other information on it though unfortunately! Hope this helps.
 
I hope its not my book you are reading because I thought I said a bit more than that!
Its not 'dinner plate', that was a later definition, not period reference to the label. It was properly called Double Elevens' from the nephew of the label's designer (Reginald Shipp), but the information about what it meant has not been found. Some authors have suggested it was for export clothes but I am quite sure this is not the case because any examples I have handled were either found in ENgland, or came to North America with a war bride. I am also quite sure now that it's a post war label (I also now think that it doesn't show up until at least 1947). I have seen dresses from 1947 or 1948 with CC41 labels but not after 1948, whereas I have seen dresses and coats from possibly as early as 1947 and as late as 1952 with Double Eleven labels, so the two labels overlap. I think Double Elevens was for a better quality garment that didn't have the same tax advantage for purchase as CC41 clothing, but I don't know this for sure. I contacted every military library, archives, and museum I could think of and nobody seems to have a copy of a memo or a definition of what the label meant.
 
Hello Everyone,


CC41 has pretty much become my obsession of late. (Love the book Jonathan btw. I waited for the nice new paperback copy to come out in the UK, then bought it on its release day!)

So anyway. I have come across alot of examples and i am almost convinced that the double elevens label is a post war higher quality label. The styling of every garment i have come across plus what seems like expensive fabrics and embroidery details convinces me this is the case.

My other reason for this conviction is my Nanna who was born in 1927 and lived through the war working at the Tailor Hector Powe from 1947- when i showed her the label she said she couldn't remember what it was exactly but knows that they were always the "expensive dresses" that were way out of the price range of many young peoples pockets!

Anyway, i hope this ma be of help!
 
:-/ I must have seen this query somewhere else as obviously if it had been put on here, it would have been answered well! Will have to trawl through my history and refer them to here. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
 
I posted this some time ago when we were discussing this topic;

From the book 'Knickers' by Rosemary Hawthorne;

"The trademark of the War years is the Utility label found attached to all manufactured clothing from 1942, through the post-war years, up to 1953. The designer of the well know CC41 label was Reginald Shipp who worked as a commercial artist for an old-established firm, Hargreaves, near Oxford Street. They were designers and suppliers of manufacturers' labels: their work covered retail, clothing, club and uniform labels. In 1940 Hargreaves, amongst several other companies, were asked to submit designs for the Utility mark that the Board of Trade wished to issue in 1941. Reginald Shipp's design was selected and he received, along with his company, a letter of commendation. The Board of Trade also awarded Mr Shipp a personal prize of £5. He lived in Barnes, London and died in 1962. It is quite likely therefore that Shipp designed this slightly later label which could be used after 1945, when rationing was still in force, on a luxury garment. This label depicts the full circle and double lines either side. The label would have indicated perhaps that better fabric, more luxurious, had been used, or more material. It seems that clothes in a luxury category carried something like 25% more purchase tax, Obviously it meant there were very few garments around that bore this mark - better class corsets appear to occasionally boast the luxury mark because they used many restrictive materials - but after 1949 CC41 controls on clothing were lifted and Utility labels were not added to garments."

Here is a reference from Judy Attfield, ed. Utility Reassessed: The Role of Ethics in the Practice of Design. Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 1999. 268 pp., 53 b/w ills., index.

Reviewed by Victor Margolin

"Further tension between the Board of Trade’s design policies and women’s culture is described by Helen Reynolds in her essay on the Utility Clothing Scheme, whose primary aim was to produce new clothing with as little labor, power, and material as possible. According to Reynolds, government control over the clothing industry during the war, which included an extreme number of regulations, was unique in British history. The Board of Trade’s encouragement of mass production countered the pre-war practice whereby much of Britain’s clothing was produced by small tailors and dressmakers. Because of the government’s mass production policy, the number of small firms was considerably reduced after the war. The Board of Trade also instituted a Couturier Scheme to provide innovative fashion designs but, although the government succeeded in dressing the British public at a low price, the result in the postwar period was the expansion of mass manufactured clothing rather than a legacy of new simple designs. In fact, many manufacturers in the lower end of the fashion market, reverted to the “fussy design” of the prewar period."
 
There are several threads discussing this label. If you do a search (top section just below the header ^) for "posh utility" or "CC41" you should be able to bring up some good discussions and examples.

Here is the Search feature
 
Vertugarde - some of the information you quoted is incorrect. CC41 was regarding manufactured clothes but it was primarily about retaining quality in production while using the fewest resources (materials and labour) not the other way around. Britain was intent on keeping production low and that was done in part by making better quality goods that lasted longer. Rosemary Hawthorne is also not quite correct either. Rationing of clothing ended in 1949 but the utility program (cc41) continued until 1952 (1953 for furniture). Her surmising of the Double Elevens label is the same as mine and Lizzietree's, but she doesn't offer any solid resource that identifies why she thinks that, in fact she states it as hearsay.
 
Not sure Jonathan how the reference I gave differs from your description of the utility scheme;

"the Utility Clothing Scheme, whose primary aim was to produce new clothing with as little labor, power, and material as possible."
 
The writer does not emphasize that quality was primary in the utility scheme by ensuring a limited selection of non-shrinkable, non-dyerun rayons and wools were used in the construction of garments following austerity regulations (such as yardage and ornamentations, which applied to CC41 and non CC41 clothing production). Streamlining production was of secondary interest. In fact manufacturers were allowed to retain a larger workforce if they produced CC41 garments, manufacturers who didn't comply had their workers drafted into military service!
 
Jonathan, it's true that rationing continued until 1952: my Grandma gave birth to her two sons in London during the Blitz, her husband was MIA, in an Italian POW camp for many years and she didn't know if he was dead or alive - after the war he returned but by '52 she had had enough of living in a bombed London on rations and moved the family to Australia.

If rations had finished earlier, it's likely that my dad may not have come to Sydney and met my mum!

Nicole
 
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