Where would you place this Leser...

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noir_boudoir

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...along the decade long timeline she designed for Foreman?

(Was it 42-52? need to go check Lizzie's thread again :BAGUSE: )

I have a few questions for this one:

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I'm assuming well post-war - is that right? The skirt has been taken in half an inch from below the pocket on the left, giving it a slightly straighter profile than originally. But the alteration has been done well, so I won't change it.

The trim you see on the jacket is a kind of running ribbed ribbon. But not grosgrain. What's it called?

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There are double inverted pleats on the outside of the sleeves. The lapels are the same cotton velvet as the skirt.

There are no zippers anywhere on the unlined skirt. But there is a more complicated fastening system than at first appears:

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I love this front-flap sailor-pant style button up thing. Underneath there is an inner 'belt' or waistband which fastens on the inside with a flat hook and eye. Plus two little hooks and eyes at each side to keep the flap flat.

I seem to remember Chris of ListitCafe telling me that her Foreman/Leser skirt fastens with a double row of buttons too.

At the back, the waistband has a kind of notch that reminds me of the matador styling of my earlier Kerry Cricket velvet evening suit.

My final question - what kind of blouse would one wear under this?

The suit's in great condition, so I'm only ever likely to give it a whirl for occasional evening work/formal outings.

Interestingly, it has red woven size 12 tags under the Tina Leser Foreman labels. It actually fits me like, say, an old UK 1980s-early 90s 12. So, it fits, but better on 'thin' days...
;)

Lin
 
oh, and I forgot, my other question:

If you had to pick an ethnic inspiration for this, what would it be? The colour scheme and trimming say Chinese to me (kind of) but what would you say?

L
 
With Leser, it's hard to tell, but I'd think very late 40s/early 50s. From those newspaper picture you have we know she was using a very similar sleeve in 49. She left Foreman in 53.

As for the inspiration, it could be a variety of things - and very possibly was! The jacket has a bolero/Spanish look to me, and of course the sailor pant closing on the skirt. It was mentioned that she liked Italian velvets. And the color of the silk is very Chinese.

Maybe pair this with a collorless short sleeve blouse, or maybe a black SS cashmere. Let me see what I can dredge up in the way of old fashion shoots.

Lizzie

I'm glad you got this. What a great addition to the Noir Wordrobe!
 
hehe! I'm building up on the velvet suit archive! I'm also buying more red than ever before (previously allergic, but realising it *does* go with my hair).

I also love acquiring outfits from my Favourite Film golden period (late 30s-mid-50s).

Yes, the braid-y edging and velvet could be Spanish too. Hmmm.

Re: the outfit. That's what I was wavering about - is it a frame for a white blouse, or black shell? I guess I'll have to try both, but I don't have the right blouse if so...

I think the DNA is 75% Spanish, 25% Chinese. I like Tina's mixed marriages...

L
 
duhhh.

You know, I didn't check before. But this is a variation on the Foreman label from Chris's skirt.

Here's hers:

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And here's mine:

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I wonder what the difference is between 'Tina Leser Design, A Foreman Original' and 'Tina Leser Design by Foreman'.

At first I thought the first was higher status. Now I can't decide.

If it's any help, this great dress which I recently completely failed to get near winning seems to have the same label as the second one here, going by the wording.

:question:

L

p.s. And I'm looking at this earlier suit offered for auction by Maggie, she has a contrasting black dickie underneath. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8321137496
 
The sailor front is called a fall front and wea the style for mens pants through much of the 18th and early 19th Centuries. I think that looks like military wool braid. The jacket also has a real resemblance to a mess jacket. So you can add Military to the list of influences.

Hollis
 
Ah, thanks Hollis - she did have a kind of Regency soldier-boy thing going on every now and then. And this arguably has a bit of an evening smoking suit air to it too.

I had no idea that's what the flap was called!

So I officially designate this:

<u>The Opium Wars' Colonial Hispanic Ambassadress Evening Suit</u>!

Here's a couple of things from the 1949 collection. I wish I'd had these pictures, and the suit, handy for Lizzie's workshop. Would it be at all helpful to tack them on the end with a summary?

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'Punjab hostess pajamas in colors of mauve to silver are fashioned of a domestic silk copy of fabric used in saris. Saks Fifth Avenue.'

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'Dark green velveteen jumper taken from an Italian peasant costume has a fold curving across the front and down to the hem. Pleated bosom blouse of white linen. Henri Bendel.'
 
Yes, those pictures do belong on that thread, if you get time, Lin.

I spent some time looking at my 49-50 magazines, and they show several different tops with these open front suits - white blouses with a demure little collar, spaghetti strap tops cut straight across the top of the bust, short sleeve and sleeveless sweaters. I think that Dior sweater of yours will look wonderful with this!
 
It's gorgeous! And it strikes me as being very "Spanish" looking--I agree the jacket reminds one of a bolero, and red would fit in with that look, too.

I see an ivory or cream, rather than white, silk blouse with this, a shell or tank style..... FWIW!
 
Thanks Anne! I think you could be right about that. The right ivory would set off the red very well.

I do need to stock up on my useful vintage separates... Don't you find yourself buying the 'major' pieces you might only ever wear occasionally, if at all, and then not the things that would be useful every week.

I think the only area where I've got the buying of practical casual-wear up to a useful level is cashmere... (sound of burning wallets...)

L
 
Originally posted by noir_boudoir
I do need to stock up on my useful vintage separates... Don't you find yourself buying the 'major' pieces you might only ever wear occasionally, if at all, and then not the things that would be useful every week.
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I won't even mention someone who shall remain nameless that last bought a blue cocktail sheath dress with a removeable overskirt. No, i don't know who they are. Even though I...um...I mean "this person" is still wearing the same 4 pants or skirts all summer because of lack of finding/buying anything like that recently, except one skirt from Lizzie.
 
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