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Thanks Kizzy! I still haven’t got around to using my cold tape, so I appreciate the tips.

Hmm that doesn’t tell me much!

@Ranch Queen Vintage new label if we can work out the dating.

What a lovely shirt, especially in pure wool. I would guess 80s or 90s. I hope someone else can narrow it down. is there a care label anywhere, eg in a side seam? It would be good to add it to the VFG label resource, with your permission?

Oh interesting! And unlike the recent one, those look like knitting needles.

Those don't look like knitting needles. If they are meant to be knitting needles, it has been designed by someone who doesn't know what knitting needles really look like. Knitting needles don't taper from one end to the other.

Early 70s was my first thought too

Please note this thread is over 10 years old.

I ve never thought they mean anything, just a geometric design. I suppose it’s possible they are meant to suggest knitting needles

You probably got it from the trademark info in the link I posted, as it matches. However it seems that Lilia smith western wear started earlier but perhaps was not trademarked?

Our own MagsRags has a Lilia Smith Exclusive dress that is clearly the same maker - same script signature: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/838581575/80s-drop-waist-dress-embroidered-pink A trademark search brings up Lilia Smith Exclusive registered in 1989 for women's clothing...

Hopefully someone will have information for you. I see what you mean, but I’m still certain it’s Smith. None of the other possible readings are likely, and the script is good for smith

A quick search for Lilia Smith Western Wear brings up loads of results, so I’m now sure it’s Smith

I think it might simply be Smith, with the final stroke of the h being a little long and low

That’s great you found an answer. It does make sense, and it makes sense that commercially made shoulder pads would be serged

It’s not a brand I’ve ever seen and I was based in London for a long time

Yes, Great to see you caryn!

But this, I don’t know.

I can see why people are wondering if this is 80s but all the construction details you’ve described sound 40s as you say. i have seen older garments where the only serging was around the shoulder pads, I recall a circa 40s Jaeger jacket with exactly this. So I don’t think the serging rules out...

Zara has only been in the UK since the late 90s so it’s not likely to be older than that.

That really is a great video!

You see a lot of these patterns from the teens and the 20s, but I think your piece might be later. Figurative designs are not unusual, as well as animals and heraldry, but not usually topless. this one is actually meant for filet lace, but the same charts can be used for filet crochet 1913

I thought I'd share some images of early 20th Century filet crochet patterns. Tablecloths and other homewares are common, but also lace trimmings for clothing, and occasionally whole garments. They are created by following a chart as shown. Usually only two types of crochet stitch are used...

Yes made by hand.

Yes definitely filet crochet

... and I've seen so many filet crochet patterns from the early 20th Century, that I assumed this was crochet!

Great photos

I thought it was crochet.but you may be right. Filet crochet is hand made. There are machine techniques that look similar but true crochet is not done by machine. I need a better close-up to be sure it’s true crochet, but first impression is that it is. filet crochet is not a difficult...

Agree it’s classical art, which you do see in filet crochet patterns from early 20th century , but they usually have strategically placed wisps of cloth

This is filet crochet. Hard to say how old it is. Don’t think I’ve seen a female nude as the subject matter for filet before!