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Antique Corset Bodice - Pointed Busk Closure - Help Dating?

Discussion in 'PUBLIC Vintage Fashion - Ask Questions Get Answers' started by DaisyandStella, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. DaisyandStella

    DaisyandStella VFG Member

    Hi all,
    I have done some research but am still not quite sure how to date this corset bodice - there are no laces. I was thinking Victorian, but then saw some pointed busk corsets dating to early 1800s as well.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!
    Brooke
     

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  2. Metro Retro Vintage

    Metro Retro Vintage VFG Member

    It's fabulous looking! Experts will be here shortly with info., but just had to drool over it for a bit. :drooling22:
     
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  3. sewingmachinegirl

    sewingmachinegirl VFG Member

    :wow22:
    Well that's a find if ever I saw one Brooke!.
    I think its from around 1790 -1800, based on examples I saw in UK museums when I studied there.
    I know our Museum experts will be along to comment soon.
    Its stunning, congrats! Can you tell us more about it please?
     
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  4. Jonathan

    Jonathan VFG Member

    It's based on fashions of the late 18th century but I am quite sure it is folk costume, probably German - Franconian perhaps? Having said that I do think its 19th century - probably 1870s?
    Here is a similar bodice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25718601@N02/3570321661
     
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  5. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    Jonathan's right - definitely a folk costume. I've just taken some quick shots, my camera's battery is almost dying. This is the original bodice of the traditional sunday costume of the Canton of Berne here in Switzerland (Berner Sonntagstracht). My grandmother had it made when she was young, she was born in 1918 and got married in '43 I think. My mother wore it too, though not often. I can't wear it because I don't have my mothers figure... but I've held on to it because it's an amazing piece of work, and I have used it as a template to reproduce the whole thing in Barbie doll size. The shape is almost the same as yours, but the fabrics are different, and in the back the little lace-edged flounce with the black beading on it is missing, so this could easily be from a different region. I am unfortunately not overly familiar with traditional costumes from other regions of Switzerland.
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    My mom wearing it in the '60s. The piece around the neck is a separate thing made of plain black velvet. The jewelery was either silver or silver-plated and the rosettes were sewn on, through which a silver chain was threaded. One more rosette was sewn to the center back, below the neck and through there went the chains that you can see hanging from the collar piece. There are a lot of separate pieces to this, it's quite intricate, not even the blouse would be all in one piece traditionally. They are rarely worn these days, but you do see them on special occasions, and they cost a fortune if you want to buy yourself one these days. The aprons are traditionally silk (my mom's was polyester though as she couldn't afford silk - she liked the red one which is for married women better than the light blue one she got from my grandma :)).

    Here you can see some more tradtitional women's costumes from Switzerland: http://www.trachtenstube.ch/Frauentrachten

    Karin
     

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  6. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    I had a bit of a further nose around... So the Bernese sunday costume has been known in this shape since the 1870s, but I guess It would be based on earlier designs - this wouldn't have arrived out of the blue. Because of the flower pattern, I asked myself if it were from the wedding costume from the same region - the "Tschöplitracht" which I haven't heard of before either: http://www.infowerkstatt.ch/bk/trachten/de_detail/ft07.php - it's hard to see in the image, but the text says that the bodice (as well as the skirt) are made of silk damask, not velvet. But anyway, your bodice could be an earlier form of all this, who knows... or from another region. It's just that the shape is so exactly like the Bernese costume.
    Where are you located and how did you come by this? Maybe this could be another clue... are you in the US? There were times when a lot of Swiss people emigrated to the US and a lot of them moved to the same regions, so there might be another pointer tere...

    Karin
     
  7. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    I've found a website of the official folk costume association and have sent them a question - let's see if they reply :). I'm intrigued to find out more about this too!

    Karin
     
  8. Metro Retro Vintage

    Metro Retro Vintage VFG Member

    Your mom looks lovely Karin, and I really like the replicate outfit you made for Barbie -- with every intricate detail. So very talented!
     
  9. sewingmachinegirl

    sewingmachinegirl VFG Member

    Wow Karin- love the photo and the Barbie outfit!
    Well that's fab that we have a date range- I learn so much here, I hadn't thought of folk costume :)
     
  10. Jonathan

    Jonathan VFG Member

    The similarities to yours Midge are amazing! Now, if that site ever wants to get rid of their mannequin….
     
  11. Jonathan

    Jonathan VFG Member

    This mannequin is GORGEOUS Thurgauer-Werktagstracht.png
     
  12. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know much about mannis, but I thought she looked great.

    Gayle - how interesting - that looks definitely like its from a Berner Sonntagstracht.

    The Barbie doll outfit was a labour of love. It "works" - nothing is sewn on, the bodice, skirt and apron are constructed like the real ones (which I was allowed to cut up for this). I'm in the process of making the whole thing again for a 16" doll. I have exactly enough of that lovely flower-velvet left to make her bodice.

    Karin
     
  13. poppysvintageclothing

    poppysvintageclothing VFG Member Staff Member VFG Past President

    What an interesting question that was posed here, it's so interesting to see these examples...and your Mom is just darling in hers, Karin!
     
  14. Pinkcoke

    Pinkcoke Alumni

    Thanks Midge for posting this. I think I have one of these neck pieces in lace, it came with a box of fabric adornments from my Grandmother I've yet to identify the majority of.
     
  15. DaisyandStella

    DaisyandStella VFG Member

    Wow thank you all so much for all the information! Karin that bodice and the construction looks quite similar to mine and it's neat to see it worn by your mother! I live in the US, Wisconsin actually and my mom had actually purchased this piece for me at an estate sale a few years back and i'm finally getting around to listing it. Pretty amazing how well it has retained its shape for all these years.
     
  16. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    I think Wisconsin has some places the were named/founded by Swiss immigrants - who knows. It might have arrived in the US that way around.

    Melanie - that sounds intriguing. Let me know if you want to see what the neck piece looks like exactly for comparison.

    Karin
     
  17. Jonathan

    Jonathan VFG Member

    I swear I am not making this up -- I have heard someone refer to "Swissconsin" as a joke because of all the Swiss who emigrated there.
     
  18. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    I haven't heard that yet :hysterical:! My relatives landed in California - lots and lots of them too in the Central Valley.

    Karin
     
  19. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    Just an update on this - I mention I contacted this association, I have had a very nice reply from them saying that they have passed my question on to their specialist. Maybe we'll find out even more about this lovely piece - I'll keep you posted!

    Karin
     
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  20. Pinkcoke

    Pinkcoke Alumni

    bringing up an old thread here because I saw this listing and wondered if it was part of one of these traditional costumes (I'm quite sure it's nothing to do with mourning...)
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    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vintage-mourning-collar-and-apron-/161522055553?pt=UK_Women_s_Vintage_Clothing&hash=item259b76f981
    If you look at the close up of the braid, buttons and ribbon it looks a lot older than afar, maybe even antique?
    Have you seen this shape collar Karin?
     

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