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Dating Cardigan Help

Discussion in 'PUBLIC Vintage Fashion - Ask Questions Get Answers' started by Ruby, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. Ruby

    Ruby Registered Guest

    I recently bought a cardigan at an estate sale with items ranging from the 50s to 80s (maybe even some newer things too?) When I first saw it, I thought it to be from the 60s because of its label design and material/fabric label. But then on the side was a small XL tag which threw me off. So then I thought maybe this is from the 70s/80s? I've attached pictures for reference. Also another question: When did S/M/L/XL first start being in use anyways? I've tried googling it but I never could find any results.
     

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  2. Hmm. I generally associate Orlon with the '50-60s, and your cardigan does look '60s but I didn't think XL was used back then - I've only seen it since the '80s. All the same, your cardigan looks pretty '60s to me so I'll go with that.
     
  3. Ruby

    Ruby Registered Guest

    Thanks! The 60s type label with the XL tag was really driving me crazy, from what I've seen before, it just didn't make sense, so I was really stumped on this one :hysterical:
     
  4. Linn

    Linn Super Moderator Staff Member

    Which way does it button? From your photo, I think it may be a man's sweater and I believe that XL was used back in the '60's and possibly earlier in menswear.

    Linn
     
  5. Ruby

    Ruby Registered Guest

    Yeah it's a man's cardigan. I didn't even think about that making a difference :duh2: Anyways thanks! I had no idea that XL was used back then for menswear.
     
  6. As I said, I haven't seen it that far back - but happy to be proven correct. I'm confident that it's a '60s (mans) cardigan.

    Linn, do Americans call them sweaters when they're for men?
     
  7. Linn

    Linn Super Moderator Staff Member

    Yes,

    They are called sweaters. I just found an XL in 1964, inthe Everyday Fashions of the the Sixties as Pictured in the Sear's Catalogs.

    Linn
     
  8. Thank you: that's good to know. Here we call them jumpers if they're pullovers (is that the UK version?), I thought that was a sweater in the US, but now I know that sweater also covers cardigan. I wonder if there's a list of the regional terminations somewhere?

    And Americans call our pinafores jumpers!?
     
  9. Pinkcoke

    Pinkcoke Alumni

    Yes in the UK we use jumper most often for a outer top with no fastenings, for me sweater tends to mean the fruit of the loom style thick cotton workwear jumpers, as opposed to knitted items. I'd never have used 'sweater' for a cardigan here either!

    Btw I would also have associated the mountain scene on the label with a men's cardigan rather than a ladies.
     
  10. Cute label - love the 'Virgin Orlon Acrylic". I don't think there is such a thing as recycled polyester yet!
     
  11. Retro Ruth

    Retro Ruth Queen of Tech Staff Member

    Yes calling pinafore dresses jumpers really confuses me! The other one that gets me is vests. To me a vest is an undergarment, but I know some countries use it for what I call a waistcoat.

    Pullover isn't much used in the UK these days, I think, though that may well vary regionally, and by generation, within the UK. I think most people would recognise the term. It's jumpers and cardigans here for sure.
     
  12. I call them waistcoats too, but American words have crept in a lot, especially in the internet age with ebay etc, so vest is used occasionally - although I agree with you Ruth, a vest is something you wear under your shirt (or at least that's how I've always used it). Australia is basically still a British colony in many ways but we're rapidly becoming Americanised.
     
  13. Midge

    Midge Super Moderator Staff Member

    I finally got the gist of what a vest is in the UK - but I didn't know that the term (in English) was being used for a waistcoat too. In German "Weste" means waistcoad though... there's the point when people like me whose mothertongue isn't English get confused :wacko:. I watch mostly British TV, read mostly English books, watch a lot American TV series and movies, used to deal with Americans and Candians daily for a few years, and now my business partners are almost all Aussies, Kiwis and a sprinkling of Pacific Islanders... result? My English is all over the place and I pick up expressions as I go, never being quite sure if I use the appropriate word anymore - keeping track is too hard :hysterical:. So I write about a sidewalk in Adelaide, and my Australian friend who used to be a school teacher keeps telling me that this is called a footpath... but never ask me for another word for an esky - I wouldn't know... oh dear!

    Karin
     
  14. Ruby

    Ruby Registered Guest

    Haha wow so many new things to learn today! I'd always assumed S/M/L/XL started in the 80s or something, and also never really thought about things being called differently around the world. Also it didn't occur to me to associate mountains on the label with men's clothing :hysterical:
     
  15. Pinkcoke

    Pinkcoke Alumni

    You don't call them a cool box? that's the only name for them here. You're really migrating from the colony now Nicole! ';)
     
  16. No, haven't heard of "cool box". I guess I didn't go on too many picnics when living in the UK! They're an essential here: every home has one and metal vintage versions are much prized.
     
  17. Linn

    Linn Super Moderator Staff Member

    "Esky" or "cool box" is called a "cooler" in the US. Vests are outer garments and often part of a 3-piece suit (men's) but were worn in the '70's by women - think Diane Keaton in "Annie Hall."

    It's really fun reading this - lots of different words for the same item; spelling, too!

    We love to say that the VFG has Members and Registered Guests, Worldwide!

    Aloha,

    Linn

    P.S. We call flip-flops -slippahs!
     
  18. cmpollack

    cmpollack VFG Member

    Love the lesson in vernacular diction on this thread!

    Ruby--I caught an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show last week (first half of the 60s), and Morey Amsterdam was wearing a sweater just like this (couldn't tell what color, of course!), with trousers. Dick was in a suit and tie, with the only concession to comfort the loosened knot in his tie!
     
  19. Retro Ruth

    Retro Ruth Queen of Tech Staff Member

    On the subject of vests/undershirts, can I use this as a flimsy excuse to show these stills from It Happened One Night.

    This racy scene caused the urban legend that there was a massive drop in undershirt sales after 1934, as Clark Cable takes of his shirt to reveal only his bare chest. :wub:

    Snopes thinks it's debatable, but it's a great story.

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