what great pics - oh how I wish I had kept my mod clothing but of course then I was clueless that it would be collectable 
Trends Of The Mid-1960s workshop
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premierludwig
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The first bag is very much of the early days of the geometric style, so I'd say it's late 1964 to early 1965. It would fit in well with the t-bar shoes of that period.
The second bag I'd say was a few years later. It does use geometric shapes, but it's not of the style of accessories that came out with the geometric fashions. This looks like it's 1968, more in tune with the space age look, think all of the strange objects that came out during the release of "2001 A Space Odyssey". The shape of the bag and the circle patters on it really do scream 1968 to me.
The slight Pattie resemblance thing is actually a bit weird. Because I was into the Beatles and because I lived in Liverpool and hung out with the 60s crowd there I really thought people were either taking the mickey or trying it on when they mentioned me looking like Pattie... you know, you're into The Beatles and a boy says "d'you know what, you remind me of Pattie Boyd", how could you not think they're trying it on?! And it wasn't as if I was trying then either, I was into 60s clothes but I wanted to be Maureen Starkey (Ringo's first wife)! So any Pattie-ness was entirely accidental. Then one of my friends found a picture of Pattie that looked so much like me it scared me, and I suddenly realised that maybe there really was something in it. I did love Pattie's 60s look but I always thought that kind of style and girlishness was quite beyond me, but having discovered I did look a teensy bit like her I thought I'd try a few of her ideas out and see how it looked. It really was a vast improvement on everything I'd tried before, so I stuck to it then and got almost as heavily into researching Pattie's modelling career as I was into researching Maureen Starkey.
I'm loving these 60s photos too! That is so amazing Sue that you're still with someone that you knew back in 1967! I'm an incredibly pessimistic modern girl when it comes to relationships and think things are going well if people haven't fallen out after a couple of years! LOL! You both look super cute in the picture and the bathing suit is fabulous. I wish I was brave enough to wear something like that! I have thse "skin rules" that I live by - if my skirt is short I have to wear a top that has a high nekline. If I wear a v-neck that shows my chest I have to be in long skirt or trousers... and I cheat with my knee high boots. The taller my boots, the shorter skirt I can get away with (hence I love my knee high boots)! LOL!
The second bag I'd say was a few years later. It does use geometric shapes, but it's not of the style of accessories that came out with the geometric fashions. This looks like it's 1968, more in tune with the space age look, think all of the strange objects that came out during the release of "2001 A Space Odyssey". The shape of the bag and the circle patters on it really do scream 1968 to me.
The slight Pattie resemblance thing is actually a bit weird. Because I was into the Beatles and because I lived in Liverpool and hung out with the 60s crowd there I really thought people were either taking the mickey or trying it on when they mentioned me looking like Pattie... you know, you're into The Beatles and a boy says "d'you know what, you remind me of Pattie Boyd", how could you not think they're trying it on?! And it wasn't as if I was trying then either, I was into 60s clothes but I wanted to be Maureen Starkey (Ringo's first wife)! So any Pattie-ness was entirely accidental. Then one of my friends found a picture of Pattie that looked so much like me it scared me, and I suddenly realised that maybe there really was something in it. I did love Pattie's 60s look but I always thought that kind of style and girlishness was quite beyond me, but having discovered I did look a teensy bit like her I thought I'd try a few of her ideas out and see how it looked. It really was a vast improvement on everything I'd tried before, so I stuck to it then and got almost as heavily into researching Pattie's modelling career as I was into researching Maureen Starkey.
I'm loving these 60s photos too! That is so amazing Sue that you're still with someone that you knew back in 1967! I'm an incredibly pessimistic modern girl when it comes to relationships and think things are going well if people haven't fallen out after a couple of years! LOL! You both look super cute in the picture and the bathing suit is fabulous. I wish I was brave enough to wear something like that! I have thse "skin rules" that I live by - if my skirt is short I have to wear a top that has a high nekline. If I wear a v-neck that shows my chest I have to be in long skirt or trousers... and I cheat with my knee high boots. The taller my boots, the shorter skirt I can get away with (hence I love my knee high boots)! LOL!
Contentmentfarm
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Great workshop Senti! Thanks so much for all the information. I remember wanting gogo boots so badly back then and all the clothes that my older cousins were wearing, they were so cool!
A Hard Days Night was the first movie I remember going to see. I remember my Mom sitting me down before sending me with a ten aged baby sitter and telling me not to scream for the Beatles. Don't remember if I obeyed, but having been a rather shy, reserved child I don't think that she had to give me that talk, I wouldn't have wanted to draw attention to myself in that way.
Well, thanks again for all the info. I have a couple of dresses that I just haven't gotten to yet but I may take a couple of quick pics tomorrow and post them to see if they fit in with the era.
Well done!
A Hard Days Night was the first movie I remember going to see. I remember my Mom sitting me down before sending me with a ten aged baby sitter and telling me not to scream for the Beatles. Don't remember if I obeyed, but having been a rather shy, reserved child I don't think that she had to give me that talk, I wouldn't have wanted to draw attention to myself in that way.
Well, thanks again for all the info. I have a couple of dresses that I just haven't gotten to yet but I may take a couple of quick pics tomorrow and post them to see if they fit in with the era.
Well done!
TheVintagePeddler
Alumni
What a wonderful workshop, Senti!
Thanks so much.
Sue-you are a knockout!
I was a toddler in 1965 but my sis was a teenager and I was always in awe of her wardrobe.
If my scanner worked I would post pics.
Here is a pic you might like though. We were in Atlantic City last month and this banner (yes it is a huge building size banner, not a mural)that Peter Max donated was on displayed on the side of a building facing the boardwalk.
I had visions of wrapping my house in it...lol
Thanks so much.
Sue-you are a knockout!
I was a toddler in 1965 but my sis was a teenager and I was always in awe of her wardrobe.
If my scanner worked I would post pics.
Here is a pic you might like though. We were in Atlantic City last month and this banner (yes it is a huge building size banner, not a mural)that Peter Max donated was on displayed on the side of a building facing the boardwalk.
I had visions of wrapping my house in it...lol
That's neat, Marie!
Oh one question i do have Senti...
i know I see pictures of the Who and that very graphic look they are wearing and of course the Beatles but what about Mod guys in general on the scene now. Are they into the later young edwardian look, are they just as geometric as the gals, or are they doing italian cut suits? Of course, that would be a whole additional workshop, but is there anything "in brief" so to speak that would sum it up?
Chris
Oh one question i do have Senti...
i know I see pictures of the Who and that very graphic look they are wearing and of course the Beatles but what about Mod guys in general on the scene now. Are they into the later young edwardian look, are they just as geometric as the gals, or are they doing italian cut suits? Of course, that would be a whole additional workshop, but is there anything "in brief" so to speak that would sum it up?
Chris
Senti -
I'm so looking forward to reading all of this, but it's so fabulously illustrated all I could do for now was to race forward to see the next picture (the ones of you are the best)! I know reading it will be equally gratifying. You are <i>the last word</i> (darling) on all things mod - thank you so much for putting it all together so beautifully - educational AND fun (tastes great, and so good <i>for</i> you!) ~
Carolyn
P.S. And a special thank-you for somehow encouraging Sue (bartondoll) to post her great circa '67 photos - esp. the one of her bikini-clad self & her then handsome sweetheart/now dear husband!
I'm so looking forward to reading all of this, but it's so fabulously illustrated all I could do for now was to race forward to see the next picture (the ones of you are the best)! I know reading it will be equally gratifying. You are <i>the last word</i> (darling) on all things mod - thank you so much for putting it all together so beautifully - educational AND fun (tastes great, and so good <i>for</i> you!) ~
Carolyn
P.S. And a special thank-you for somehow encouraging Sue (bartondoll) to post her great circa '67 photos - esp. the one of her bikini-clad self & her then handsome sweetheart/now dear husband!
premierludwig
Registered Guest
Marie - I *love* that banner, it's amazing! I'd want it too but it wouldn't fit round my house I don't think. LOL!
Chris, here's the info you wanted on mod men:
TODAY'S MOD GUYS
In brief - what the mod guys wear nowadays in the UK (as the mod scene in the UK is still very much about being "a class above the norm" rather than just dressing 60s... American mods just seem to want to be in the most authentic 60s look, no matter what style, cut or year) depends on what stage of mod they are at.
The Tickets - wannabe mods who are very new to it all, and hang out in mod places - wear the pop art gear that the Who were into. Target shirts, brightly coloured jeans or trousers, haven't got too into the shoes yet (a major tell-tale sign they're new to the mod scene. Mod men *love* shoes), and their hair is long but in the scruffy "I don't know what to do with it" stage. They wear parkas but go totally over the top putting silly things all over them like targets and union jacks and band logos.
- the imbetween stage here is when they start buying polo shirts and mod jumpers and neating themselves up a bit.
The mods - decent mods but not the very top people who set all the trends - wear the striped shirts with the button down collars, bowling boots or desert boots and sta-press jeans or hipsters and belts with huge buckles. They start growing their hair rather long and trying to backcomb it. They also sort of phase out parkas and start wearing things like Harringtons.
- the imbetween stage between Mod and Face is when the mods start getting very fussy about their shoes, wearing very plain yet striking clothing (thick striped shirts, plain shirts with the contrasting collar and cuffs) and try and get a decent haircut... mods at this stage are very likely to nick your hairspray and your eyeliner, and ask you for tips on using both of them. Parkas are still worn, but the logogs are very minilamist and discreet. A small target on the back or something.
The Faces - the top mods, the trend setters, the guys in charge who everyone looks up to and wants to emulate - wear the Italian suits and cuban heeled boots or badger-shoes, have immaculate backcombed Italian haircuts and are just generally so cool that when they walk in the room all the lads stare and all the girls come aver all funny. LOL! The Faces very rarely wear parkas (though they will ocasionally wear one out just because they miss their old parka), they have really nice 3/4 overcoats instead... which with the Italian suits, sharp shoes and italian haircuts make they look a teensy bit mafia-ish! LOL!
You can see the usual mod gear here (as most mod guys can't decide if vintage is acceptable or not, so they have *lots* of mod shops in England where you can buy brand new versions of 60s clothes.. modettes would rather wear Mary Quant so they don't care if it's brand new or not!):
Sherry's
Jump The Gun - Brighton
Merc (check out the shoes- then you'll know how to spot a true british mod)
Guys usually work through the shops in that order too. Sherrys is very friendly and helpful, good for newbies, and they even let girls in! LOL!
Jump The Gun is quite cool, there's some groovy stuff in there. But you have to look a bit mod to go in there otherwise they get a bit weirded out by your presence. You also need to know what you're doing there, but the staff are very friendly and helpful once they know you're "one of them".
Merc is just totally cool. They do sell lots of Ticket and Mod stuff in there, but it's a top class Face place. If you progress beyond Merc, there's a very groovy Italian Bespoke suit mail order that those in the know use.
The really irritating thing about *all* of them though, is those "ticket pockets" they all put on the suits - one pocket on one side, two on the other. I hate that! ...and so do all the 60s mod purists. But until you can find a really good tailor to sort you out you're stuck with it.
Chris, here's the info you wanted on mod men:
TODAY'S MOD GUYS
In brief - what the mod guys wear nowadays in the UK (as the mod scene in the UK is still very much about being "a class above the norm" rather than just dressing 60s... American mods just seem to want to be in the most authentic 60s look, no matter what style, cut or year) depends on what stage of mod they are at.
The Tickets - wannabe mods who are very new to it all, and hang out in mod places - wear the pop art gear that the Who were into. Target shirts, brightly coloured jeans or trousers, haven't got too into the shoes yet (a major tell-tale sign they're new to the mod scene. Mod men *love* shoes), and their hair is long but in the scruffy "I don't know what to do with it" stage. They wear parkas but go totally over the top putting silly things all over them like targets and union jacks and band logos.
- the imbetween stage here is when they start buying polo shirts and mod jumpers and neating themselves up a bit.
The mods - decent mods but not the very top people who set all the trends - wear the striped shirts with the button down collars, bowling boots or desert boots and sta-press jeans or hipsters and belts with huge buckles. They start growing their hair rather long and trying to backcomb it. They also sort of phase out parkas and start wearing things like Harringtons.
- the imbetween stage between Mod and Face is when the mods start getting very fussy about their shoes, wearing very plain yet striking clothing (thick striped shirts, plain shirts with the contrasting collar and cuffs) and try and get a decent haircut... mods at this stage are very likely to nick your hairspray and your eyeliner, and ask you for tips on using both of them. Parkas are still worn, but the logogs are very minilamist and discreet. A small target on the back or something.
The Faces - the top mods, the trend setters, the guys in charge who everyone looks up to and wants to emulate - wear the Italian suits and cuban heeled boots or badger-shoes, have immaculate backcombed Italian haircuts and are just generally so cool that when they walk in the room all the lads stare and all the girls come aver all funny. LOL! The Faces very rarely wear parkas (though they will ocasionally wear one out just because they miss their old parka), they have really nice 3/4 overcoats instead... which with the Italian suits, sharp shoes and italian haircuts make they look a teensy bit mafia-ish! LOL!
You can see the usual mod gear here (as most mod guys can't decide if vintage is acceptable or not, so they have *lots* of mod shops in England where you can buy brand new versions of 60s clothes.. modettes would rather wear Mary Quant so they don't care if it's brand new or not!):
Sherry's
Jump The Gun - Brighton
Merc (check out the shoes- then you'll know how to spot a true british mod)
Guys usually work through the shops in that order too. Sherrys is very friendly and helpful, good for newbies, and they even let girls in! LOL!
Jump The Gun is quite cool, there's some groovy stuff in there. But you have to look a bit mod to go in there otherwise they get a bit weirded out by your presence. You also need to know what you're doing there, but the staff are very friendly and helpful once they know you're "one of them".
Merc is just totally cool. They do sell lots of Ticket and Mod stuff in there, but it's a top class Face place. If you progress beyond Merc, there's a very groovy Italian Bespoke suit mail order that those in the know use.
The really irritating thing about *all* of them though, is those "ticket pockets" they all put on the suits - one pocket on one side, two on the other. I hate that! ...and so do all the 60s mod purists. But until you can find a really good tailor to sort you out you're stuck with it.
noir_boudoir
Registered Guest
wow, this is <b>FABULOUS</b>!!!!
I haven't had time to read it all, but what I have read thru is tremendously informative, & I love everyone's photos too!
Makes me want to have a Mod night out!!
L
I haven't had time to read it all, but what I have read thru is tremendously informative, & I love everyone's photos too!
Makes me want to have a Mod night out!!
L
emmapeelpants
Alumni
[align=center]Soft black and white bunny coat with one black sleeve and one white. Skinny and short with an unfussy mandarin collar. Designed by John Bates, for Selincourt's 1965-1966 winter season.
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I've just got back from my holiday in Italy, and browsing through this fabulous workshop (way to make me panic about mine!! ;) ) Was very delighted to see this picture as it is part of the Avengerswear collection Bates designed, worn by Diana Rigg and sold with special Avengers labels!
<img src="http://ddr.theavengers.tv/publicity/emmapeel/340.jpg"><img src="http://ddr.theavengers.tv/publicity/emmapeel/357.jpg"><img src="http://ddr.theavengers.tv/publicity/emmapeel/328.jpg"><img src="http://ddr.theavengers.tv/steed/steed35.jpg">
Liz
I just want to add here that Liz will be presenting a workshop August 30th that will focus on/go more in depth about several designers mentioned in this workshop. SO stay tuned!
http://www.vintagefashionguild.org/vfgevents.php
http://www.vintagefashionguild.org/vfgevents.php
debutanteclothing
VFG Board Member
Spending so much time in the "rockabilly world" I never knew much about Mod other than I knew it when I saw it. THANK YOU Senti for such an awesome workshop. I learned so much, I went back to my store and revamped the description of a Mod crochet dress I have listed. I also included the suggestion of wearing matching unides!!!
I have this sweater I've been meaning to do something with and I guess the time is now. I know Christian Dior has included black and white striped mod pieces in the fall collection. Here's mine:
<img src="http://members.sparedollar.com/debutanteclothing/striped-angora-front.jpg">
<img src="http://members.sparedollar.com/debutanteclothing/striped-angora-back.jpg">
<img src="http://members.sparedollar.com/debutanteclothing/stripedangorasleeve.jpg">
The sleeves are pretty neat because the are cut diagonally. It kind of looks like the coat in the pics you posted.
But is it mod?
Sandra
PS, I love the pics of the board members. You ladies are HOT!!!
I have this sweater I've been meaning to do something with and I guess the time is now. I know Christian Dior has included black and white striped mod pieces in the fall collection. Here's mine:
<img src="http://members.sparedollar.com/debutanteclothing/striped-angora-front.jpg">
<img src="http://members.sparedollar.com/debutanteclothing/striped-angora-back.jpg">
<img src="http://members.sparedollar.com/debutanteclothing/stripedangorasleeve.jpg">
The sleeves are pretty neat because the are cut diagonally. It kind of looks like the coat in the pics you posted.
But is it mod?
Sandra
PS, I love the pics of the board members. You ladies are HOT!!!
debutanteclothing
VFG Board Member
BTW. the label says made in Italy.
premierludwig
Registered Guest
Liz! Thanks for posting those Diana Rigg photos! How fabulous that that coat came from the Avengers range, wow! I'm so impressed! Wonder why the silly magazine I got it from didn't mention that. :(
Slightly jealous you've just been in Italy - I intend to live there one day. Italy is just decadance to me so I want to see whether living there is more decadance than I can handle, or whether it balances out nicely once you're living in the "real world" over there.
Sandra - I can't see the pictures. :( Might be a server issue though so I'll check back later. If the label says Made In Italy I'm sure you're onto a good thing through, Italian clothing is very mod.
love, moons and starrs,
Senti.*
Slightly jealous you've just been in Italy - I intend to live there one day. Italy is just decadance to me so I want to see whether living there is more decadance than I can handle, or whether it balances out nicely once you're living in the "real world" over there.
Sandra - I can't see the pictures. :( Might be a server issue though so I'll check back later. If the label says Made In Italy I'm sure you're onto a good thing through, Italian clothing is very mod.
love, moons and starrs,
Senti.*
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elsewhere
Guest
Since we're discussing Italian clothing... I have a Italian knit dress that came from the home of a sort of model who had a ton of stuff from the late 60's and early 70's. She did home clothing shows, I think I was told. Luckily.. she was a nice sized gal-- not tiny. All the stuff is approx a modern 10 or so. The fabulous Ava Gabor for Estevez soft green maxi dress is from this same estate. Damn.. that's a HOT dress.
Anyway....I tend to think of this dress as "post-mod" because it has so much mod influence.. yet seems a bit later, and longer, than traditional Mod.
Here's the dress:
<img src="http://www.elsewherevintage.com/images/italian10.jpg">
with more pics here:
http://www.elsewherevintage.com/zerlina.htm
Any thoughts?
Anyway....I tend to think of this dress as "post-mod" because it has so much mod influence.. yet seems a bit later, and longer, than traditional Mod.
Here's the dress:
<img src="http://www.elsewherevintage.com/images/italian10.jpg">
with more pics here:
http://www.elsewherevintage.com/zerlina.htm
Any thoughts?
I am really also seeing with your description of guys stuff and the puffy jackets and the graphic designs that strange crosspolination of "mod, emo" etc. SOme merchants are obviously just keyword spamming. Our view, especially in the US as you say is more towards what is authentic vintage and in the UK it is less so and more the look and i can see why some 80s stuff and some modern stuff with a common sensibility all gets wrapped up into the modern Mod scene. The kids into Emo like the vintage t's ringer t's that have nothing to do with Mod but i can see how the graphic quality to them would open the door for a further crossover into it
Oooh those are killer, Jonathan, :drool:
On the monitor it almost looks like a moire' effect, or is that just the op-arty ness that is making my eyes do funny things???
On the monitor it almost looks like a moire' effect, or is that just the op-arty ness that is making my eyes do funny things???
fuzzylizzie
Alumni
The workshop that would not die!!! This is so interesting, that I dragged out my 60s boxes. One I have to show is by Youthquake, the first label on the resource. It shows the cut-out exactly as Senti described it"
<img src=http://members.sparedollar.com/fuzzylizzie/youth.jpg>
<img src=http://members.sparedollar.com/fuzzylizzie/youth2.jpg>
Thanks again, Senti!
<img src=http://members.sparedollar.com/fuzzylizzie/youth.jpg>
<img src=http://members.sparedollar.com/fuzzylizzie/youth2.jpg>
Thanks again, Senti!
